Texans vs. Patriots Pre-Game Discussion

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Arky

Haha!

Patriots favored by 16 over Houston.

So it will be interesting to see where the money goes here late. This smells like an over-reaction to the regular season game outcome when Brady was still suspended. Sure the Texans could get blown out again, but even a backdoor cover here seems too good to pass up.

The worse the weather the better for the Texans imo Anything to help level the playing field. The Texans defense isn't allowing 4 TDs to anyone.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by Keith

.......Sure the Texans could get blown out again, but even a backdoor cover here seems too good to pass up......

Ya, that's kind of where I'm at. Just too many points to pass up. Texans outright (money line = +1000) is least probable but pays handsomely.... $100 bet returns $1000 if the Texans win. Betting the big dogs, though, can leave you crying...

In the betting forums, I'm seeing overwhelming Patriots support:

The Pats beat the Texans 27-0 with Jacoby Brissett, The Texans can't score.

This will be a 24-31 point game, The Texans feast on turnovers and short fields to score their very few points, Brady never turns the ball over.

Brock turns the ball over a bunch, That spread could be behind after the first quarter.

No chance. Not with brock

Texans lost to the 3rd stringer already and got shut out.

Although a few like the Texans and the points:

I would take the points. Texans D looks real good.

Still a shit ton of points for a playoff game and Jadeveon is a beast. Few weird bounces and a prevent defense late can bust up a 16 point spread pretty easily.

And then you got your NFL conspiracy theories:

Why would the NFL want the Texans to go to the next round and not New England?

Clearly you could tell in all 4 games this past weekend who the NFL wanted. Crazy that these 10 win teams couldn't do dik with the ball the entire game.

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Frankly, I don't see the Patriots having a markedly greater talent level. I think our athletes can match up with any teams athletes. Yep, we're weak at QB and OL. But I think the biggest difference is with the head coach/coaching. Now, I like OB OK and think he will eventually become a very good HC but right now, Belichick is light years ahead of him.... If he (OB) puckers up or plays scared, it'll be the like the first game all over again....

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

Frankly, I don't see the Patriots having a markedly greater talent level. I think our athletes can match up with any teams athletes. Yep, we're weak at QB and OL. But I think the biggest difference is with the head coach/coaching. Now, I like OB OK and think he will eventually become a very good HC but right now, Belichick is light years ahead of him.... If he (OB) puckers up or plays scared, it'll be the like the first game all over again....

I don't think we're that bad at OL. Brock's biggest issues are with the blitz, so he gets blitzed a lot and doesn't recognize it well. When he did a better job this past week of recognizing it, we shutout Khalil Mack and our QB was not even hit, let alone sacked. I think a good QB can make an OL look good and a bad one can make them look bad.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

I don't think we're that bad at OL. Brock's biggest issues are with the blitz, so he gets blitzed a lot and doesn't recognize it well. When he did a better job this past week of recognizing it, we shutout Khalil Mack and our QB was not even hit, let alone sacked. I think a good QB can make an OL look good and a bad one can make them look bad.

Well, you left out OL run blocking. Most recently, L Miller, 31/73, 2.4 avg. Take away Miller's long of 19 and it becomes a 1.8 avg. Brutal.

Who would you rather have, the Texans OL or the Pats OL? See what I mean?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

Well, you left out OL run blocking. Most recently, L Miller, 31/73, 2.4 avg. Take away Miller's long of 19 and it becomes a 1.8 avg. Brutal.

Who would you rather have, the Texans OL or the Pats OL? See what I mean?

We definitely aren't a good run blocking team, but Miller tries to bounce everything. He created multiple negative runs the other day by trying to bounce. We run blocked much better when Grimes took the ball and got up field.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

We definitely aren't a good run blocking team, but Miller tries to bounce everything. He created multiple negative runs the other day by trying to bounce. We run blocked much better when Grimes took the ball and got up field.

So, with our OL, would you start Grimes ahead of Miller?

See, this is one of my gripes with our coaching staff. It's like they're oblivious to what's working sometimes. Case in point: Akeem Hunt. To say Hunt has been used sparingly is an understatement. He's been stopped a few times (which is quite normal) but more than once, he comes in, rips off a 16-19 yarder or catches a screen for a similar gain and then it's "back to the bench with you, young man". What are they saving him for? Use him!

Blue, Grimes and Hunt should all be getting at least 5 touches/game, IMO. Mix it up and take a load off L Miller while you're doing it....

[chuck]

Ervin was a fourth-round pick. Hunt was undrafted and has mostly been a practice squad guy. I see what everyone else sees with Hunt - production. But this may be a case of draft status favoritism.

Anyway, if they let Ervin return punts Saturday, and I assume they will, it will tell us quite a bit about the organization.

[Arky]

A stroll down memory lane - Texans vs Pats recent history:

2009, Wk 17: Texans get their only victory against the Pats 34-27 behind Schaub and Foster. Pats were in rest-up mode for the playoffs but Belichick kept Brady in quite a bit going for the W. The win gave the Texans a 9-7 record for the year and their franchise first winning season.

2012, Wk 14: The 11-1 Texans travel to Foxboro for MNF and lose 42-14 in the infamous "varsity jacket game" (Expect CBS not to let this little nugget go by on Saturday's coverage). Schaub threw for no TDs and had one INT. Foster was locked down for 15/46. It was 42-7 at one point as TJ Yates finished the game with a QB sneak TD at the 2 minute mark.

2012, Divisional playoff: Texans head to Foxboro again, played better but still get eliminated from the playoffs losing 41-28. Schaub threw for 343 and 2 TDs but had the only turnover by both teams, an INT.

2013, Week 13: Case Keenum nearly leads the upset but the Texans fall 34-31 at Reliant/NRG. The Texans entered the game on a 9-game losing streak and finished the season 2-14.

2015, Week 14: The Brian Hoyer led Texans only get 7 first downs and fall to the Pats 27-6 @ NRG. JJ Watt had broken his hand earlier in the week and played with a club-like cast on his left hand.

2016, Week 3: The Texans go to Foxboro and lay an egg 27-0 on TNF. The Texans had 3 turnovers, Pats had none. Charles James and Tyler Ervin both had lost fumbles, Brock Osweiler had 1 INT.