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[chuck]

Originally Posted by Keith

Conspiracy theorists... Savage, now tagged as being injury prone, was he put purposefully into harm's way? Hmmm

By BOB? BOB was the one who wanted to start Savage all along, apparently. He had BO forced on him by an incompetent GM and a dickbrained owner. Of course BOB calling a sneak for Savage was about as bright as letting Colt McCoy run a quarterback keeper into the teeth of an Alabama defense. And the results were similar.

I have no problem believing that BOB has deep issues with Rick Smith and may very well want out. RS is an idiot and a tool and is unfireable. RS has the owner's total confidence. The owner is an idiot and a tool and together he and the GM apparently can do quite a bit of damage. Like sign Ed Reed while releasing Glover Quin, put Savage on the IR after a six week injury, commit $70MM to a guy with five NFL starts, etc.

Before BOB came along we all knew that the decision making hierarchy inside the organization was a mess. It seems to have become worse. People like BOB, people from the northeast, people who went to Ivy League schools, even if they were there to play football, most people like that think that hayseeds like McNeck, even if they are billionaires, are idiots. And they're right. Parts of the US and Texas in particular feature some impressive concentrations of powerful stupidity. I can imagine that BOB wants out. Ironically, winning Saturday will make his escape path that much more complicated. Each hour that passes will signal the door to new coaching opportunities closing more and more. Who knows if there will be any head coaching vacancies left in a week.

But it would be hilarious if BOB bailed, took the last one open and left McNeck and his waterboy holding the bag.

Since the Glazer thing I've assumed that BOB is the one leaking all of this. The quotes from Zierlein have me reconsidering. It could well be coming from the waterboy instead. Most likely I think is they're both leaking, but the waterboy wouldn't be telling everyone he forced BO on BOB.

The two things I do know for a fact is 1) Pancakes is as clueless as always and 2) this bullshit should not be happening before a playoff game and that it is speaks volumes to the incompetence of ownership.

[HPF Bob]

IF Coach Foulmouth leaves and Romeo Crennel stays, I think the sum difference for the Texans is zero. Foulmouth was supposed to be the offensive genius from the Belichick tree. The offense stinks. If he leaves, the worst that will happen with the offense is that it will still stink.

Crennel has been the one in charge of the defense - the one aspect out of three (offense and special teams the others) - that is carrying the other two. True, O'Brien brought Crennel with him and he might take him if he leaves but nonetheless, there's a Super Bowl-winning D-Coord that is suddenly looking for work and might just be thrilled to come back to Houston if the position is open.

As for the rest of your diatribe laced with outright bigotry and nonsense (Rick Smith is Virginia-born, Pennsylvania-raised, Indiana-educated and Colorado-trained), he has hit and missed at the GM Wheel-of-fortune at about the same rate as the rest of the NFL's GMs and what he has to show for it is a perennial .500 team. Not what the fans want but a hell of a lot better than some NFL fanbases have.

Should he be in charge of the team's personnel decisions? That's debatable. Is he better than Chatty Casserly? I'd probably swallow hard and say yes. Osweiler has a chance this week to take the Texans as far as they've ever gone. That might seem to justify the "upgrade" from Brian Hoyer in games that truly matter. Nobody thinks they will beat the Patriots should they win but the Texans have never had a QB capable of that, not Carr nor Schaub.

O'Brien was the same reckless get that Osweiler was. For a "conservative" owner, his biggest mistakes seems to be impulsive fixes that might have been better in retrospect had they waited for somebody better instead of being in an overheated hurry to get the one guy they coveted.

[popanot]

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[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

IF Coach Foulmouth leaves and Romeo Crennel stays, I think the sum difference for the Texans is zero. Foulmouth was supposed to be the offensive genius from the Belichick tree. The offense stinks. If he leaves, the worst that will happen with the offense is that it will still stink.

Crennel has been the one in charge of the defense - the one aspect out of three (offense and special teams the others) - that is carrying the other two. True, O'Brien brought Crennel with him and he might take him if he leaves but nonetheless, there's a Super Bowl-winning D-Coord that is suddenly looking for work and might just be thrilled to come back to Houston if the position is open.

As for the rest of your diatribe laced with outright bigotry and nonsense (Rick Smith is Virginia-born, Pennsylvania-raised, Indiana-educated and Colorado-trained), he has hit and missed at the GM Wheel-of-fortune at about the same rate as the rest of the NFL's GMs and what he has to show for it is a perennial .500 team. Not what the fans want but a hell of a lot better than some NFL fanbases have.

Should he be in charge of the team's personnel decisions? That's debatable. Is he better than Chatty Casserly? I'd probably swallow hard and say yes. Osweiler has a chance this week to take the Texans as far as they've ever gone. That might seem to justify the "upgrade" from Brian Hoyer in games that truly matter. Nobody thinks they will beat the Patriots should they win but the Texans have never had a QB capable of that, not Carr nor Schaub.

O'Brien was the same reckless get that Osweiler was. For a "conservative" owner, his biggest mistakes seems to be impulsive fixes that might have been better in retrospect had they waited for somebody better instead of being in an overheated hurry to get the one guy they coveted.

I can't even decipher this Bob. Chuck may be on a crazy rant but at least it's coherent enough to know what his particular brand of crazy is. I have no idea what point you are aiming at here.

Do you think McNair is doing a good job? Do you think he's doing as good as most? Do you think Smith is good? Average? Do you think if Brock wins a playoff game it was a good signing? Do you think O'Brien is the main problem?

These are actual questions not veiled insults. I just can't tell what point you were making or if the whole thing was about Chuck and not the Texans.

[chuck]

I'm more than capable of a crazy rant but the above is neither a rant nor is it crazy. Most of you have probably been following the events referred to by Arky's original post. BOB and RS have reached a point of extreme professional tension. After he was hired BOB wanted to get RS out of the way and bring in an OC of his choosing. BO was not a QB BOB wanted; he was forced on him (and, presumably, was forced to play him). BOB and the team may be looking for a way to separate themselves after the season. (I've been hearing rumblings about this for at least a month now.) Other NFL FO types ascribe the leaks to RS.

These aren't the fevered dreams of your friend chuck. It's all been reported by people with decent to good track records at getting this stuff right. Is any of it true? Who the hell knows. As I said, I have no trouble believing any of it and I don't know why anyone else would. None of it seems at all far fetched. We've all watched BO make Brian Hoyer look like Joe Montana. If an organization is going to force such an incompetent player on a head coach, such an incompetent quarterback, unless that head coach literally had no other options who wouldn't want out?

Of course if any of this is true and BOB does leave one way or another it will be extremely difficult for the Texans to hire anyone good, or at least anyone who has other options. The Texans will be competing with the Browns and the Niners as teams of last resort.

Any new coach will obviously want his own coordinators so I consider it very unlikely that RAC would survive a coaching change. Of course McNeck could do something surprising like promote Vrabel to HC and stipulate that the defensive coaching staff should remain largely intact. But again, a guy like Vrabel will have many other options and will he want to work for a guy who forced a shit QB on a HC and then ran that coach off once everyone figured out that the QB was shit? Even the Niners aren't at that level of organizational chaos. That makes the Colts look like the Packers.

And finally, it would be irresponsible not to highlight this little nugget:

Osweiler has a chance this week to take the Texans as far as they've ever gone.

That's a good one. BO will be carrying the team forward on his bird-like shoulders. Sure. If he stumbles Chris Clark can lead the charge.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

I'm more than capable of a crazy rant but the above is neither a rant nor is it crazy. Most of you have probably been following the events referred to by Arky's original post. BOB and RS have reached a point of extreme professional tension. After he was hired BOB wanted to get RS out of the way and bring in an OC of his choosing. BO was not a QB BOB wanted; he was forced on him (and, presumably, was forced to play him). BOB and the team may be looking for a way to separate themselves after the season. (I've been hearing rumblings about this for at least a month now.) Other NFL FO types ascribe the leaks to RS.

These aren't the fevered dreams of your friend chuck. It's all been reported by people with decent to good track records at getting this stuff right. Is any of it true? Who the hell knows. As I said, I have no trouble believing any of it and I don't know why anyone else would. None of it seems at all far fetched. We've all watched BO make Brian Hoyer look like Joe Montana. If an organization is going to force such an incompetent player on a head coach, such an incompetent quarterback, unless that head coach literally had no other options who wouldn't want out?

Of course if any of this is true and BOB does leave one way or another it will be extremely difficult for the Texans to hire anyone good, or at least anyone who has other options. The Texans will be competing with the Browns and the Niners as teams of last resort.

Any new coach will obviously want his own coordinators so I consider it very unlikely that RAC would survive a coaching change. Of course McNeck could do something surprising like promote Vrabel to HC and stipulate that the defensive coaching staff should remain largely intact. But again, a guy like Vrabel will have many other options and will he want to work for a guy who forced a shit QB on a HC and then ran that coach off once everyone figured out that the QB was shit? Even the Niners aren't at that level of organizational chaos. That makes the Colts look like the Packers.

And finally, it would be irresponsible not to highlight this little nugget:

Osweiler has a chance this week to take the Texans as far as they've ever gone.

That's a good one. BO will be carrying the team forward on his bird-like shoulders. Sure. If he stumbles Chris Clark can lead the charge.

You had some great points but your rant about the northeast and Texas was all fevered dreams and crazy. There are plenty of smart people in the northeast and plenty of dumb ones. The boys in Southie are no more cultured and educated than the rednecks in rural Texas. And McNair may be a football dumby, but he's got more business success than 99.999% of the world. And his dumb football decisions always make him money (mostly because it's impossible not to make money in the NFL). So you can bash the team and the decisions and Smith and McNair, but this has nothing to do with regional culture. Half the franchises in the NFL are just as poorly run as ours. It's because NFL ownership is not a meritocracy.

[barrett]

And Bob's continued love affair with Osweiller is hilarious and indefensible.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

And Bob's continued love affair with Osweiller is hilarious and indefensible.

He was a Bronco.