1st Round QB trade up

[Roy P]

Taking a quick look at a Mock draft and considering which teams might be willing to trade down to allow us to trade up for a QB and wanted to discuss. If a team doesn't trade up to #1 and Tennessee takes a non-QB and Cleveland drafts Wentz - Goff could potentially be available. Baltimore at #6 would be the first viable team who might be willing to trade down to #22. I don't have a Value chart or the Ravens' picks in front of me to see what be equivalent, but would like to consider the possibility. Miami at #8 is the next spot to consider trading up to if the 49ers stay committed to Kaepernick. Then #10 NYG is most likely the last possibility to get Goff. Assuming of course the Rams or Eagles don't trade up.

So, I would like to consider the possibility and cost of trading up to 6, 8, and 10 for Jared Goff.
Secondly, if Goff and Wentz are off the board at #10, how much would it take to trade up to #12 for the Saints pick to guarantee Jordan Lynch? Would he be worth it to "have your 'Franchise QB'"?

If it's comparable to move up to 10 vs 12, I might be willing to pull the trigger if Jared Goff was available.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

So, I would like to consider the possibility and cost of trading up to 6, 8, and 10 for Jared Goff.
Secondly, if Goff and Wentz are off the board at #10, how much would it take to trade up to #12 for the Saints pick to guarantee Jordan Lynch? Would he be worth it to "have your 'Franchise QB'"?

If it's comparable to move up to 10 vs 12, I might be willing to pull the trigger if Jared Goff was available.

6 = 1600
8 = 1400
10 = 1300
12 = 1200

22 = 780
54 = 360
86 = 160
118 = 58

These numbers are from Walters Football Site's Trade Value Chart.

Usually a future pick is worth one round lower on the chart.

This is Walters Football review on Lynch

Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
Height: 6-7. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
2/4/16: In 2015, Lynch completed 67 percent of his passes for 3,778 yards with 28 touchdowns and three interceptions. He has a good skill set, but is raw and needs development. Lynch has an arm that can make all the throws for the pro game, and he flashed the ability to pass accurately and beat good coverage with precise completions into tight windows. Lynch also has the athleticism to make plays with his feet and or throws on the run.

However, there is a lot of work that Lynch needs. His footwork and field vision are the primary areas to improve. Lynch was inconsistent with passing accurately and working through his progressions. He needs to become more consistent with the ability to thrive as a pocket passer as well. His eye movement and working through his progressions need to be faster and more consistent. According to sources, his head coach Justin Fuente said that Lynch needs to mature on the field with his football I.Q. and needs to mature off the field to handle being a franchise quarterback. Fuente coached Andy Dalton at TCU, and he told NFL evaluators that Dalton was far ahead of where Lynch is coming out of college.

In his previous seasons as a starter, Lynch used his running ability more. As a sophomore, he ran for 321 yards with 13 touchdowns while completing 63 percent of his passes for 3,031 yards with 22 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Lynch completed 58 percent of his passes for 2,056 yards with nine touchdowns and 10 interceptions as a freshman.

[Roy P]

1st + 2nd + 4th to get Goff at #12. I would do that for the Franchise QB.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

1st + 2nd + 4th to get Goff at #12. I would do that for the Franchise QB.

Walters again

Jared Goff*, QB, California
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2016): 1.
2/4/16: In 2015, Goff completed 64 percent of his passes for 4,719 yards with 43 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. He beat up on weak competition early in the season, but he didn't play as well against quality opponents like Utah, UCLA and USC. Goff bounced back to close out the regular season well against Stanford and Arizona State.

Still, Goff demonstrated his strong, accurate arm and quality field vision. He also has functional mobility to avoid rushers and pick up some yards on the ground. Goff needs to add weight for the NFL and also could have some issues with getting rattled and handling the rush at the next level.

Goff's stats were inflated by a college offense that has a lot of instant passes, and coming from that system, he will need development for the NFL with field vision, working under center and holding up in the face of a pass rush. Goff displayed good mechanics at times, but also had some issues maintaining that when faced with a lot of pressure, and that led to some bad habits of throwing off his back foot. He has said he is working to correct those problems.

Some scouts said that Goff has been overhyped. One scouting director said that Goff was a good player, but he didn't feel he was "top of the draft" worthy right now. Another scout said they were lukewarm on Goff as a pro quarterback.

In speaking to another general manager from a team that is among the best at evaluating and developing quarterbacks, he felt that Goff was the best of the draft-eligible signal-callers. Obviously, there isn't a real consensus about Goff among NFL evaluators.

8/8/14: Goff enjoyed a breakout 2014 season. The sophomore completed 62 percent of his passes for 3,973 yards with 35 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Goff displayed some pocket-passing potential while playing with a less-than-ideal supporting cast. He struggled against USC's good defense taking sacks and had a few interceptions dropped. Goff needs to perform better against top competition. He became the starter as a freshman in 2013 and completed 60 percent of his passes for 3,508 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

First off I don't think Goff falls to 12, 2nd not sure I give up that much for a project. Every QB in this draft is a project and at the same time they will go much to early for there skills sets.

I like Wentz, but he is a project also. Not sure I would give up 3 picks for him. And I was willing to look at a trade up. But the reality is the Texans have a ton of holes. And this is a defense heavy draft.

So I'm torn as what to do. I hate where we are currently, no QB and holes to plug at RB, OL, TE, SS, DE, NT. But also not in love with any of the guys enough to give up 3 picks to get him. I am more inclined to give up next years #1 before I am this years #2.

And truly, if the team likes one of the lessor guys, Cook - Hackenburg - Prescott, they can save picks and possibly trade down. The fans will go crazy on Thursday night of the draft if they trade down.

[Keith]

Given the whole world knows the Texans are targeting a QB for their first pick, it seems inevitable the team will have to trade up in Round 1 to get the guy they like.

And after months of scrutinizing these guys, they will inevitably fall in love with one over the others. In that case, giving up #22 plus next year's first rounder isn't terribly expensive to get THE quarterback this team both wants and needs. Just have to hope the team falls in love with the right guy, whomever that may be.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Keith

Just have to hope the team falls in love with the right guy, whomever that may be.

You said a mouth full there.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Keith

In that case, giving up #22 plus next year's first rounder isn't terribly expensive to get THE quarterback this team both wants and needs.

I would be more willing to trade #22 and next years #1 for a QB, but only if the team is sold on that guy being the QB we need to lead us going forward. Then get him some OL help, a RB, a slot guy and a TE. (I hope the team spends some money in FA on the defense).

And I am hoping for Wentz or Lynch, if they trade up.

[painekiller]

Walters had this to say about Cook

#4 Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2016): 1-3.
2/4/16: Sources say that Cook has good height, weight and delivery, but a number of evaluators don't really like him. They think he's too inaccurate and question his lack of leadership with his team not voting him a team captain. If one highly touted quarterback prospect slides like others have in years past, Cook could be the prime candidate. He made a big mistake turning down his Senior Bowl invitation and the opportunity to address some of these concerns.

In 2015, Cook connected on 56 percent passes for 3,131 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He played well against Oregon, but wasn't overwhelming against some mediocre opponents, though he had a prolific game against Rutgers. The Spartans have admitted their play calling was overly conservative at times and needed to let Cook throw more often. Late in the regular season, he played with an injured shoulder.

Cook has athleticism, good size, experience in a pro-style system and a strong arm that can make some beautiful throws downfield into tight windows. However, he isn't a quarterback who drops back and throws 50 times a game while dominating a defense. His accuracy needs improvement as well. Cook was more of a game-manager for Michigan State, and that could be his future in the NFL.

And this to say about Prescott

# 8 Dak Prescott, QB, Mississippi State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 226. Arm: 31.38. Hand: 9.88.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2016): 4-6.
2/4/16: Prescott completed 66 percent of his passes in 2015 for 3,793 yards with 29 touchdowns and five interceptions. On the ground, he totaled 588 yards with 10 scores. Sources say they view Prescott as Tim Tebow 2.0 from playing in the same offense, though Prescott has better throwing mechanics and functions better out of the pocket than Tebow did entering the draft. They think Prescott needs to become a better pocket passer, but they numerous teams loved him in the Senior Bowl meetings. They were impressed with his football I.Q. and his leadership skills to be captain in a NFL locker room.

8/8/15: Prescott completed 61 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,449 yards with 27 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He averaged 4.7 yards per carry for 986 yards with 14 scores on the ground. Prescott underwhelmed against Alabama, but that was really the only game of the season in which he struggled.

Prescott's play has been somewhat reminiscent of Tim Tebow at Florida because Prescott is playing in the same offense for Tebow's former offensive coordinator, Dan Mullen, the Mississippi State head coach. Like Tebow, Prescott needs to improve his pocket passing and accuracy for the NFL.

In 2013, Prescott completed 58 percent of his passes for 940 yards with 10 touchdowns and seven interceptions.

He has Cardale Jones, Christian Hackenberg, and Jacoby Brissett at 5 - 6 - 7.