2015 Mocks

[HPF Bob]

The knock on Perriman is he has world class speed but only marginal hands. Until somebody comes up with a 40-time for hands, the guys who can post really fast numbers at the combine are going to be overrated. Dorsett is another guy who is climbing because he clocked a 4.2.

If the "first four" are gone (Cooper, White, Parker and Strong), then I'd look for guys like Sammie Coates and Tyler Lockett. Those two have solid production and come up big in big games. Coates doesn't have top speed but he faced SEC defenders and produced big numbers.

Devin Smith, from what I read, is strictly a straight-line speed guy. If that's what I want, I can get Antwan Goodley much later.

[HPF Bob]

Regarding Waynes, what I read is he can run really fast and can break up passes. Ok, nice. What I didn't read was that he can tackle well or intercept passes. So, IMO, he reminds me of Aqib Talib who runs really fast and can shadow your top receiver but he gets hurt if you ask him to make a tackle and he rarely picks off passes. Is that what you want to spend a mid-round #1 on?

Now if he fell to the late first or early second, then, yeah, let's get him. In the 8-16 range, whoever gets him may feel disappointed. I still think he's the top corner in the draft but I'm not sure he merits where he's being ranked.

[Roy P]

Excellent points about "hands" on the prospects. Sammie Coates drops a lot of passes. I think Perriman is a little bit better. Dorsett actually has larger hands, but Tyler Lockett seems to catch the ball more easily. Finding the "natural hands catchers" with size and speed is kind of limited to the top 3. So, we're going to have to find players who we can hide insufficiency and demonstrate strength.

[Roy P]

16 OL Cameron Erving
51 ILB Stephone Anthony
82 QB Bryce Petty
116 WR Tyler Lockett
152 WR Chris Conley
175 WR Ty Montgomery
195 OLB Kyle Emanuel
211 RB Karlos Williams
216 CB Justin Coleman
235 TE Blake Bell

3 WRs in one draft. Kyle Emanuel is cheap OLB insurance. Erving can play any position on the OL.

[popanot]

Here's a good write up on some of the WRs:

http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/201...-rankings.html

He's still developing his "Reception Perception" model, but I like where he's going with it.

Here's more info regarding the model:

http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/the...n-project.html

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by popanot

Here's a good write up on some of the WRs:

http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/201...-rankings.html

He's still developing his "Reception Perception" model, but I like where he's going with it.

Here's more info regarding the model:

http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/the...n-project.html

6) Devin Smith, Ohio State

From the moment I popped on the first Devin Smith cutup, I was intrigued. His big play ability was screaming off the screen. After I studied Smith for Reception Perception, I was hooked. Starting with the obvious, he is a master of the vertical game, and he still owns the most ridiculous deep game Reception Perception I’ve charted. While prospects like Sammie Coates and Phillip Dorrsett have speed, Smith is the one player in this class with near complete vertical ability. Meaning, he has the speed to fly, the subtleties to inch away from coverage at the last moment to separate, and can win contested catches. His ability to track the ball is second to none in this class, especially in the deep game. When Devin Smith walks into an NFL team’s building, he will already bring true vertical artistry, and be an immediate deep threat. That is enough of a trump card for him to get first round consideration.
If O'Brien is looking for a WR with the real top-end speed, a real burner this might his man.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by popanot

Here's a good write up on some of the WRs:

http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/201...-rankings.html

He's still developing his "Reception Perception" model, but I like where he's going with it.

I am all about attempting to make analysis more objective and less subjective, and appreciate the information. I took a look at his tiers, My Ranking, Average Mock Draft position, CBS Sports Scouting "Grades", and Combine Measurables.

My Rank Grade Avg Draft Position Tier Pos Name School Height Weight 40 Cone Shuttle Vert Bench Arm Jump Hand
3 7 4 1 WR Amari Cooper Alabama 6' 7/8" 211 4.42 10"
4 6.2 6 1 WR Kevin White West Va 6' 2 5/8" 215 4.35 4.14 36.5 23 32 5/8" 10'3" 9 1/4"
6 6.2 12 2 WR DeVante Parker Louisville 6'3" 209 4.45 17
13 5.8 24 4 WR Jaelen Strong Az State 6'2 217 4.44 42 10'3" 9"
24 5.8 16 2 WR Breshad Perriman Central Fla 6'2" 212 4.25
27 5.7 38 4 WR Phillip Dorsett Miami 5' 9 3/4" 185 4.25 6.7 4.11 38 13 30 1/4" 10'9" 10'2"
28 5.6 39 2 WR Nelson Agholor USC 6' 1/8" 198 4.48
29 5.7 44 2 WR Devin Smith Ohio St 6'0" 196 4.42 4.15 39 10 31" 10'2" 9"
43 5.5 70 4 WR Tyler Lockett Kansas St 5'10" 182 4.4 6.89 4.07 35.5 30" 8 3/8"
44 5.7 91 4 WR Rashad Greene Fla State 5'11" 182 4.53 6.88 4.12 36.5 31 5/8" 9"
59 5.5 157 4 WR Chris Conley Georgia 6'2 213 4.35 45 18 11' 7" 9 7/8"
65 5.3 85 2 WR Tre McBride Will&Mary 6 210 4.41 16
68 5.6 123 7 WR Ty Montgomery Stanford 6'0" 221 4.55 6.97 4.21 40.5 31" 10'1" 10 1/8"
71 5.4 86 3 WR Justin Hardy East Carolina 5'10" 192 4.56 6.63 4.21 36.5 11 32 1/8" 9'5" 10"
78 5.5 175 7 WR Antwan Goodley Baylor 5'10 1/4" 209 4.44 30 3/4" 9 1/4"


The main take-away is that everyone agrees that Cooper and White are the cream of the crop. Then the list and opinions begin to spiral at 3 - Parker, Strong, Perriman, Dorsett, etc. The guru at TheHuddleReport.com has Ty Montgomery as a 1st round talent while this guy trashes him. Nelson Agholor is gaining some steam as a top 2nd round pick. Devin Smith and Chris Conley could potentially be the steals of this draft. It will depend upon the team the player is selected as to how successful they will be at the next level. Seems like everyone has an opinion.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Regarding Waynes, what I read is he can run really fast and can break up passes. Ok, nice. What I didn't read was that he can tackle well or intercept passes. So, IMO, he reminds me of Aqib Talib who runs really fast and can shadow your top receiver but he gets hurt if you ask him to make a tackle and he rarely picks off passes. Is that what you want to spend a mid-round #1 on?

Now if he fell to the late first or early second, then, yeah, let's get him. In the 8-16 range, whoever gets him may feel disappointed. I still think he's the top corner in the draft but I'm not sure he merits where he's being ranked.

Here's a good article on Waynes' tackling: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ostly-imagined. Summary: Not a good tackler at all, but he is a top cover guy and he does make an effort at tackling. You can work on his tackling and he has coverage ability that you can't teach.

[HPF Bob]

Michigan State is one of the better tackling schools in the country. If he could be taught to tackle, I would think he'd have learned it by now. Some guys get Deion Fever where they don't want to stick their nose in the pile. I really respected Dunte Robinson's game before he was injured. He would pile drive guys to the ground. I think he enjoyed it.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Michigan State is one of the better tackling schools in the country. If he could be taught to tackle, I would think he'd have learned it by now. Some guys get Deion Fever where they don't want to stick their nose in the pile. I really respected Dunte Robinson's game before he was injured. He would pile drive guys to the ground. I think he enjoyed it.

Speaking of Michigan State. They have some ballers.....Kurtis Drummond, Jeremy Langford, Taiwan Jones, and this guy who might be one of the steals of the draft. Excellent Pro-Day numbers, he wasn't invited to the Combine.

OLB Marcus Rush Mich St 6'2" 247 4.69 6.75 4.24 34 24 9'9"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i3oitcKLxM

[HPF Bob]

I'm not sure that video helps him, Roy.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I'm not sure that video helps him, Roy.

I will admit that the guy narrating isn't the most eloquent speaker and it could have been better rehearsed beforehand, but there's plenty of good content that showed that Rush can play. Some key elements jumped out at me. I'm projecting him as an OLB, but he played DE at Michigan State.

6:00 into the video he beats Donovan Smith.
7:30 beats the RT.
9:11 demonstrates a spin move like Freeney.
10:02 beat Jessie James
16:30 taking on a pulling Guard
18:00 Double swim moves against a TE then the RB
19:50 beat RT
23:05 beat Tackle inside
24:50 demonstrated Rip move
25:30 pancakes the Center while splitting the C & RG on stunt.
This is a player who is not talked about even being drafted and I hadn't heard of until his Pro day. Could be a nice late round guy to get in case we don't draft Beasley or Chickillo and Clowney isn't 100%

[Roy P]

If we drafted say, OLB Bud Dupree in the first, who would you rather have with the 2nd pick : WR Devin Smith or ILB Stephone Anthony? :

[painekiller]

Getting closer and I am thinking outside the box. The General is standing for the Texans taking OLB, which usually means we go somewhere else. Also BoB has been vocal for guys that are able to play multiple positions and are smart.
My Outside the box mock

16 Cameron Erving C Florida State rSr 6-5 313
51 *Devin Funchess WR Michigan Jr 6-4 232
82 Jaquiski Tartt SS Samford rSr 6-1 221
116 *Jesse James TE Penn State Jr 6-7 261
152 Taiwan Jones ILB Michigan State Sr 6-3 245
175 Malcolm Brown RB Texas Sr 5-11 224
195 Joey Mbu DT Houston Sr 6-3 313
211 *Deion Barnes OLB Penn State rJr 6-4 257
216 Quandre Diggs CB Texas Sr 5-9 196
235 Deshazor Everett CB Texas A&M Sr 5-11 188

Erving can play at OC or OT. Has also played defense. Funchess is a project with great height and speed. Has been a move TE and an outside WR. Tartt is a former basketball player who tracks the ball well, has the size to play up in the box in nickle. James has excellent size, and has played for BoB at Penn St. Jones is a 3-4 ILB who can thump.

I missed on OLB who could push to play today. Not my worse effort.

[Roy P]

Nice. I am also thinking outside the box. Devin Smith in the first and Stephone Anthony in the 2nd and Bryce Petty in the 3rd, then Anthony Chickillo in the 4th. Jesse James in the 5th.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

If we drafted say, OLB Bud Dupree in the first, who would you rather have with the 2nd pick : WR Devin Smith or ILB Stephone Anthony? :

Unlike Clowney & Mercilus, from what I've read Dupree would be able to play strong side over the TE and cover him in passing situations which makes him an obvious choice for us if OLB is our top priority, but I doubt he's still on the Board at #16.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Unlike Clowney & Mercilus, from what I've read Dupree would be able to play strong side over the TE and cover him in passing situations which makes him an obvious choice for us if OLB is our top priority, but I doubt he's still on the Board at #16.

The drafting of Dupree was the premise, the real question was who would you draft in the 2nd round, D. SMITH or S. ANTHONY?

[HPF Bob]

No question I'm drafting Anthony in that proposal because I don't think Devin Smith will be that great a player at the next level. Reminds me of Marquise Goodwin - terrific speed but that's all he has.