Clowney to IR, Ending His Rookie Season

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

You are one self hating masochist for the way you frequent message boards of a team you despise like Houston.

It is funny you say the franchise is a joke from the owner down and as proof you cite how great Carolina was there first two years. You can praise a Capers led team as correctly run (Carolina) while eviscerating the Texans for being Capers run. Anything that fits your narrative of Texans incompetence and makes you feel better about your bitterness.

Let me ask you how many teams have won more playoff games than Houston in the last 5 years? How many have won more division titles. I'd imagine about 1/4 of the league has outdone us over that time period, another 1/4 equals us, and half would love to trade places (actual numbers may vary as I took a wild guess).

But you act like the Texans have personally harmed you and the only defense mechanism you have is to tear them down. It's like you need them to be bad so you can hate them instead of loving them and getting heart broken again. So you spew mindless drivel that ignores reality. You are like a divorcee who has to convince herself her ex-husband was the worst person ever to justify leaving. Except you won't leave them.

I can't call myself your friend Chuck because I only know you from an internet message board, but seriously as an internet friend, leave the Texans. It's not a healthy relationship for you.

Maybe the Chuckster is afflicted with some kind of new yet undefined form of cyberspace self-mutilation ? Anyway all of your questions/observations are very fair Barrett, I hope the Chuckster gets back with a sincere reply.

[chuck]

Bob goes bragging that the Texans were 7-9 in year three (Three! The next year they were, guess what? 2-14.) and I point out that two other expansion teams did far better, faster. And so I'm some sort of self-hating lunatic that deals in fantasy.

You necks are out of control.

[HPF Bob]

Chuck, I do believe Carr could have been an above-average NFL quarterback with proper protection and handling. His confidence went to zilch once he could no longer trust the players around him to do their jobs and the fan base turned on him during the 2005 season. I point out 7-9 to say we were a competitive NFL team unlike the meme out there that the Texans were never good until Kubiak/Smith came to town. And the 7-9 was really to say that Casserly's approach to the expansion draft was better than the approach the Browns took. I'd still rather start at square one with Carr than start at square one with Tim Couch.

Personally, I wish you'd address the question raised by Barrett and WMH. Why do you care to follow the Texans when they so disgust you? I remember when you used to brag that you were a season ticket holder and, therefore, had a stake in their performance but I haven't heard that line in years so I suspect that's no longer true, particularly since you used to rail against the fan experience of attending games but no longer do.

I also find it amusing that you are more supportive of the baseball franchise that denuded their roster of talent and fielded a true abomination to the sport solely so they could suck so bad as to get the first overall draft choice three years running then can't even sign their top draft choice. Yeah, the Texans sometimes seem poorly run at times but at least they've sniffed a winning season or two recently and don't completely embarrass themselves as often as the Astros do.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Bob goes bragging that the Texans were 7-9 in year three (Three! The next year they were, guess what? 2-14.) and I point out that two other expansion teams did far better, faster. And so I'm some sort of self-hating lunatic that deals in fantasy.

You necks are out of control.

We are all here for you Chuck.

[Keith]

Can't we all agree that the quixotic plight of a Houston pro football fan can lead someone to wayward tendencies? The years of unfulfilled hopes, the mental and physical anguish incurred over decades of abuse, it leaves a scar.

He is chuck. He is you. He is me. He is all of us.

[HPF Bob]

True dat. I remember when the Titans went to the Super Bowl and I complained that it wasn't fair that they got to enjoy the spoils of all our misery. Thanks, Bud. Keep rotting, you old buzzard.

[Nconroe]

It may be some of you just don't follow Chucks humor. just relax.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Keith

Can't we all agree that the quixotic plight of a Houston pro football fan can lead someone to wayward tendencies? The years of unfulfilled hopes, the mental and physical anguish incurred over decades of abuse, it leaves a scar.

He is chuck. He is you. He is me. He is all of us.

I am Chuck.

[Nconroe]

Originally Posted by barrett

I am Chuck.

I bet you don't even look a little bit like Chuck. Mentally, perhaps so.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by Keith

Can't we all agree that the quixotic plight of a Houston pro football fan can lead someone to wayward tendencies? The years of unfulfilled hopes, the mental and physical anguish incurred over decades of abuse, it leaves a scar.

He is chuck. He is you. He is me. He is all of us.

I am chuck. I am also Napoleon Boneparte. I am the walrus, koo koo ka choo.

[chuck]

This is all fairly entertaining, and I have to say that I'm enjoying the board's being more active than it has been in a long while.

Bob, I know you think Carr would have been a good player under different circumstances. I think that is crazy and I think that the facts clearly state otherwise. He didn't lack confidence, he lacked intelligence. And he never studied film. If you're an idiot who never watches tape you are not going to succeed in the NFL as a quarterback. He had several fresh starts in other places and could never get anywhere close to the field, even on quarterback starved teams.

I was born and raised in Houston. I am a fan of Houston pro football. What do you want me to do, change teams mid-life? Have a second team like you do? I'll do neither. But my fandom does not preclude me from making a sober appraisal of the franchise I follow. It sucks. Two playoff wins in twelve years. That is indefensible.

No, I no longer have season tickets. I'm pretty sure I mentioned my letting them go at the time. When it became clear that the owner doesn't care much about winning and the team is more interested in advertising and cheap jingoism than a football experience inside the stadium I realized that it is lunacy for me to travel internationally six times a year or whatever it was simply to watch a team whose leadership is brazenly disrespectful to its customers. And the lock-out was absolutely the last straw.

And I have absolutely no idea why you think I'm an Astros fan. We've talked about this, too. My esteem for Bob McNair is stratospheric compared to what I think about the current and former owners of the Astros, two slimy dickwads who conspired in a most cowardly way to steal fifty years of history from fans like you and me. No sir, I am no longer an Astros fan. I will admit that I do enjoy watching the team struggle and it pleases me that Luhnow is a league-wide pariah. You'll note that several of their recent free agent targets have turned the Astros down in order to sign less lucrative contracts with other clubs. No one with any real options wants to play for this group of frauds and that makes me happy.

On the other hand I want desperately for the Texans to win; I simply recognize that as currently organized they won't.

The truth is I am not nearly as invested in the team as I once was, both literally and otherwise. It's impossible to continue to be as emotionally tied in as I once was when the team underperforms for more than a decade. Also, I am now a part owner of a professional futbol team here and that takes up a great deal of my sports-related emotion. It's a very rewarding experience, actually. Not financially certainly, but in every other way it has been quite something.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by chuck

This is all fairly entertaining, and I have to say that I'm enjoying the board's being more active than it has been in a long while.

Bob, I know you think Carr would have been a good player under different circumstances. I think that is crazy and I think that the facts clearly state otherwise. He didn't lack confidence, he lacked intelligence. And he never studied film. If you're an idiot who never watches tape you are not going to succeed in the NFL as a quarterback. He had several fresh starts in other places and could never get anywhere close to the field, even on quarterback starved teams.

I was born and raised in Houston. I am a fan of Houston pro football. What do you want me to do, change teams mid-life? Have a second team like you do? I'll do neither. But my fandom does not preclude me from making a sober appraisal of the franchise I follow. It sucks. Two playoff wins in twelve years. That is indefensible.

No, I no longer have season tickets. I'm pretty sure I mentioned my letting them go at the time. When it became clear that the owner doesn't care much about winning and the team is more interested in advertising and cheap jingoism than a football experience inside the stadium I realized that it is lunacy for me to travel internationally six times a year or whatever it was simply to watch a team whose leadership is brazenly disrespectful to its customers. And the lock-out was absolutely the last straw.

And I have absolutely no idea why you think I'm an Astros fan. We've talked about this, too. My esteem for Bob McNair is stratospheric compared to what I think about the current and former owners of the Astros, two slimy dickwads who conspired in a most cowardly way to steal fifty years of history from fans like you and me. No sir, I am no longer an Astros fan. I will admit that I do enjoy watching the team struggle and it pleases me that Luhnow is a league-wide pariah. You'll note that several of their recent free agent targets have turned the Astros down in order to sign less lucrative contracts with other clubs. No one with any real options wants to play for this group of frauds and that makes me happy.

On the other hand I want desperately for the Texans to win; I simply recognize that as currently organized they won't.

The truth is I am not nearly as invested in the team as I once was, both literally and otherwise. It's impossible to continue to be as emotionally tied in as I once was when the team underperforms for more than a decade. Also, I am now a part owner of a professional futbol team here and that takes up a great deal of my sports-related emotion. It's a very rewarding experience, actually. Not financially certainly, but in every other way it has been quite something.

Looking back, I always felt Carr needed a mentor, someone to guide him right from the get-go. Show him how to be a pro in the NFL. Show him in the film room what he needed to do to become a better - someone that knew what they were doing. I've forgotten who his QB coach was at the time but whoever he was, he did a terrible job with Carr. Instead, he was allowed to be the Golden Boy, the face and savior of the new franchise and along the way, he picked up bad habits that were never corrected.

Re: season tickets, I read a lot of Texans stuff on the internet. One thing I've noticed is that the fans who regard their "investment" as disposable income are a lot more at peace with what transpires on Sundays. Especially, when things aren't going well with the team......

Interesting that the joke-of-a-franchise Texans have your favor and the joke-of-a-franchise Astros do not.....