Official 2014 NFL Draft - Round 4-7 Thread

Roy P · #1 05-10-2014, 01:37 PM

I kept drafting S Marqueston Huff and WR Kevin Norwood in the 6th and 7th rounds of mock drafts. I thought they were undervalued and Seattle and Tennessee got good football players.

Arky · #2 05-10-2014, 01:46 PM

Now taking bets on the Texans getting scooped again on a QB...

Keith · #3 05-10-2014, 01:50 PM

SAVAGE

THought so.

Roy P · #4 05-10-2014, 01:52 PM

Well, he has the strongest arm in the draft. And we now know who the rookie QB is.

Nconroe · #5 05-10-2014, 01:53 PM

Me too. Like it and surprised Savage still there. Big, tough, smart.

Arky · #6 05-10-2014, 01:57 PM

Whoa, I've been a fan of Savage for, pfft, at least 5 minutes....

Big arm, tall... sounds like OB has his project....

barrett · #7 05-10-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Arky

Now taking bets on the Texans getting scooped again on a QB...

When did we get scooped on a QB? Maybe your mock draft got scooped, but is there anything to indicate we wanted any other QB or got out maneuvered a single time?

barrett · #8 05-10-2014, 01:59 PM

I like the pick and I like that we waited. BOB can attempt to develop him with no pressure to force him if he doesn't work. A risk free QB with a big arm that will not keep us from pursuing other QB solutions. And waiting allowed us to get 4 very good players that will help if we ever have the QB we need.

If you didn't believe there was a QB worth drafting at 1.1 then this was the best possible outcome.

Roy P · #9 05-10-2014, 02:03 PM

He was the "Ryan Nassib" of this draft. Everyone talked about him as a 5th rounder then as we got closer to draft day, there were rumors he could be a 1st rounder and 5-7 QBs could go in the 1st round. I know he transferred from Rutgers and Arizona to wind up at Pitt. He didn't want to compete with The Eagles' QB Foles (who played very well last year for Chip Kelly). He sort of reminds me of Joe Flacco (who also transferred to leave Pitt when he didn't want to compete there with Drew Brees' backup).

There's no pressure with being the 4th rounder.

Warren · #10 05-10-2014, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

He was the "Ryan Nassib" of this draft. Everyone talked about him as a 5th rounder then as we got closer to draft day, there were rumors he could be a 1st rounder and 5-7 QBs could go in the 1st round. I know he transferred from Rutgers and Arizona to wind up at Pitt. He didn't want to compete with The Eagles' QB Foles (who played very well last year for Chip Kelly). He sort of reminds me of Joe Flacco (who also transferred to leave Pitt when he didn't want to compete there with Drew Brees' backup).

There's no pressure with being the 4th rounder.

Savage left Arizona because they hired Rich Rodriguez, whose offenses are built around running QBs like Pat White at West Virginia. Foles was gone by the time he would've been eligible to play there.

Warren · #11 05-10-2014, 02:16 PM

The case against drafting QBs on Day 3 from Bears GM Phil Emery:

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"I just did a little study. It's very interesting," Emery said. "That developmental theory doesn't hold a whole lot of water. There's entire classes of quarterbacks, since '06, I went back and looked at from Jay's on -- when people say developmental quarterbacks, OK, so who has gotten developed? There isn't a single quarterback after the third round since 2006 that has been a long-term starter. So you're either developing thirds, and most of them have been wiped out of the league. So to get a quality quarterback, you've got to draft them high. That 2012 class is a blip on the radar that's unusual, highly unusual.

"Most of the starters in this league come from the first and second round. So that's where you need to take a quarterback. So when you talk about quarterback every year, they have to be somebody that you truly believe will beat out the second and third quarterback that you perceive on your roster. And if not, history shows that you shouldn't make that pick."

I still think it's worth a shot, though.

Keith · #12 05-10-2014, 02:16 PM

From what I've heard... Texans would have considered moving up if Bortles began to slip. And they had interest next in Garappolo, so if anything, the Pats jumped in front to take him.

Aside from that, they gave up their 5th to move up for Nix... evidence they had a small cluster of guys they figured one of which would be there at 4.35.

I would have preferred McCarron myself, but given the team liked Bortles over Bridgewater, it doesn't surprise me they liked Savage over McCarron (or Murray or any other QB still on the board).

I don't get why O'Brien favors these big guys with strong arms (Mallett, too maybe) when he says he wants a smart guy making good decisions. Savage is a project. He is projectable and maybe he develops, but if he plays significant snaps in 2014, the team won't be winning a lot of games. Give him a year, which should be easy as a late 4th.

Blitzwood · #13 05-10-2014, 02:17 PM

I really like the pick too, but it makes Mallett now a bit redundant. Savage offers the same arm strength with more mobility than Mallett.

Nconroe · #14 05-10-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

I like the pick and I like that we waited. BOB can attempt to develop him with no pressure to force him if he doesn't work. A risk free QB with a big arm that will not keep us from pursuing other QB solutions. And waiting allowed us to get 4 very good players that will help if we ever have the QB we need.

If you didn't believe there was a QB worth drafting at 1.1 then this was the best possible outcome.

Agree with this.

Arky · #15 05-10-2014, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

When did we get scooped on a QB? Maybe your mock draft got scooped, but is there anything to indicate we wanted any other QB or got out maneuvered a single time?

I'm not in the war room, barrett, but I'd say the Texan brass blinked a little when Bridgewater went one pick before their pick and Garropolo went 2 picks before their pick...

Maybe you have information to the contrary?

barrett · #16 05-10-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Arky

I'm not in the war room, barrett, but I'd say the Texan brass blinked a little when Bridgewater went one pick before their pick and Garropolo went 2 picks before their pick...

Maybe you have information to the contrary?

I never saw anything that indicates we had any interest in Bridgewater. It seems of the 3, he was the least likely. Sure, they could have hid their interest, but sitting at 33 shows a lack of interest in Bridgewater more than it does getting "scooped." I am sure the Texans knew a trade up was in play for half a dozen teams from picks 23-32, and yet they sat and watched. That does not look like a team that got scooped. It looks like a team that didn't want Teddy Bridgewater.

If he had lasted to 33 do you think we would have picked him? I think we would have traded down with someone who wanted him.

Roy P · #17 05-10-2014, 02:13 PM

Now we have drafted a NT and QB, I'd like to get an ILB. Jordan Tripp would be nice or even Avery Williamson or Ronald Powell. Just saying.

Can't believe DT Caraun Reid is still on the board.

Thanks for the info, Warren. I stand corrected.

Me too, Popanot

nunusguy · #18 05-10-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

Now we have drafted a NT and QB, I'd like to get an ILB. Jordan Tripp would be nice or even Avery Williamson or Ronald Powell. Just saying.

Can't believe DT Caraun Reid is still on the board.

Thanks for the info, Warren. I stand corrected.

Me too, Popanot

Rick Smith made a fairly strong hint in a Q-&-A the other day that Reed is now likely to go inside next to Cushing since we've now got JD & Mercilus at OLB.
OK so I'm wondering about O'brien's possible interest in a slot receiver in the Texans remaining picks, a subject/position he's been known to talk about.

Arky · #19 05-10-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

I never saw anything that indicates we had any interest in Bridgewater. It seems of the 3, he was the least likely. Sure, they could have hid their interest, but sitting at 33 shows a lack of interest in Bridgewater more than it does getting "scooped." I am sure the Texans knew a trade up was in play for half a dozen teams from picks 23-32, and yet they sat and watched. That does not look like a team that got scooped. It looks like a team that didn't want Teddy Bridgewater.

If he had lasted to 33 do you think we would have picked him? I think we would have traded down with someone who wanted him.

It was initially a joke. Did you not see the groaning in this forum when we got "scooped"?

barrett · #20 05-10-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Arky

It was initially a joke. Did you not see the groaning in this forum when we got "scooped"?

Got it. .