Official 2014 NFL Draft - Round 2 & 3 Thread

[Roy P]

Well, shit

Not only do we not get him, but my favorite QB is a Patriot. Ugh!

[HPF Bob]

Morgan Moses is still on the board as I type. ACC guy from the Virginia area we allways seem to get at least one player from. Would make a great add at RT.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Arky

Radio saying Patriots expected to take Garoppolo...

Coming to the realization that Smith is the worst GM in the league. The guy has no vision or feel when to make a move.

[Arky]

2nd round in the books (w/ESPN grade):

1 Xavier Su'a-Filo OG Texans 88
2 Demarcus Lawrence OLB Cowboys 86
3 Joel Bitonio OT Browns 89
4 Derek Carr QB Raiders 68
5 Ra'Shede Hageman DT Falcons 86
6 Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE Buccaneers 81
7 Marqise Lee WR Jaguars 90
8 Kyle Van Noy OLB Lions 80
9 Lamarcus Joyner DB Rams 80
10 Jordan Matthews WR Eagles 83
11 Weston Richburg C Giants 77
12 Cyrus Kouandjio OT Bills 88
13 Paul Richardson WR Seahawks 74
14 Stephon Tuitt DE Steelers 89
15 Trent Murphy OLB Redskins 69
16 Timmy Jernigan DT Ravens 87
17 Jace Amaro TE Jets 84
18 Jeremiah Attaochu OLB Chargers 89
19 Ego Ferguson DT Bears 69
20 Troy Niklas TE Cardinals 79
21 Davante Adams WR Packers 85
22 Bishop Sankey RB Titans 85
23 Jeremy Hill RB Bengals 79
24 Cody Latimer WR Broncos 88
25 Carlos Hyde RB 49ers 88
26 Stan Jean-Baptiste DB Saints 86
27 Jack Mewhort OT Colts 73
28 Kony Ealy DE Panthers 87
29 Allen Robinson WR Jaguars 78
30 Jimmy Garoppolo QB Patriots 82
31 Jarvis Landry WR Dolphins 84
32 Justin Britt OT Seahawks 45

[HPF Bob]

So where's this Nix kid we were supposed to take at #33? You suppose he flunked a pee test?

[HPF Bob]

C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa. Not really one of my favorite choices here although I grabbed him a few times when we had multiple picks. There are still some needs I would have rather filled and I would have loved to have grabbed Morgan Moses or Christian Jones or Tre Mason. He's a decent addition but not really a big need at this point.

[popanot]

Freaking TE, C.J. Fiedorowicz!! Guess we don't need a decent QB prospect!

Welcome to Houston, Ryan Mallett!!

[HPF Bob]

Has Smith ever made a good third round pick? I'm trying to think of one.

Eric Winston was the last of Casserly's drafts. Still trying to think of a third rounder by Rick Smith that panned out.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Has Smith ever made a good third round pick? I'm trying to think of one.

Jacoby Jones was a pretty good pick. Of course that came on the heels of Okoye. Earl Mitchell. Basically both of those guys would have been good picks in the fifth.

[Warren]

FWIW, Brian Ferentz, Iowa's OL coach, worked under O'Brien with the Pats and was rumored to be joining the Texans' staff. Gotta wonder if that connection played into this pick.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa. Not really one of my favorite choices... I would have loved to have grabbed Morgan Moses or Christian Jones or Tre Mason. He's a decent addition but not really a big need at this point.

I thought Fiedorowicz was as good as Sefarian-Jenkins or Amaro and could be gotten later, thus more value in the pick. I'm still stewing about the Patriots. Tre Mason would have been insurance that we lost in Ben Tate, but who knows we may get a RB later. There are no more TEs in this draft of his caliber, there's a drop off like Crocket Gilmore. Not sure who I would have taken, my top guy was WR Donte Moncrief as Andre's eventual replacement. I also have a special feeling about WR Bruce Ellington. Getting a CB like Keith McGill would have made sense too. All I know, I want DT Caraun Reid in the 4th round

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

Freaking TE, C.J. Fiedorowicz!! Guess we don't need a decent QB prospect!

Welcome to Houston, Ryan Mallett!!

What do we want with a decent QB prospect? Seriously. What good does decent do us? We just spent 5 years with a guy who was better than decent and it got us nowhere.

You can draft a decent OL/DL/RB/WR/TE... But what is the point of drafting a decent QB? Do we really think O'Brien liked one of these guys, and we failed to draft him multiple times? We had our pick of the top 3 and our pick of everyone else and we passed both times. That tells me O'Brien didn't want any of them. Why go trading around the board for a QB our HC doesn't like simply because we have a need there?

We are building both lines and adding players that will allow O'Brien to play the style he wants to play (multiple TEs). It is his first draft and first chance to acquire players he wants (since we sat out FA with $20 million in dead money thanks to Kubiak).

Did anyone think we entered this draft as a team who was a QB away from winning? Then why force it? Buckle in for a losing season under a Head Coach who has the patience that only a 4-5 year leash can give. It looks like O'Brien will spend the next year remaking the roster and is content to address QB at a later date. I can't blame him with what was available.

[Warren]

Mort speculating that O'Brien was eyeing Garoppolo.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Warren

Mort speculating that O'Brien was eyeing Garoppolo.

Mort's an idiot.

Not only did O'Brien pass on Garoppolo at 33, he watched half a dozen potential QB teams draft in the 50s and never felt compelled to move up (even though we have plenty of extra picks).

All Mort is doing is perpetuating the ESPN Bristol myth that the Patriots always outsmart everyone.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Warren

Mort speculating that O'Brien was eyeing Garoppolo.

I wonder if we could get an SEC QB in the 5th round: Mettenberger, Murray, McCaron? There's also Logan Thomas and Taj Boyd. Who knows? Tom Savage or David Fales getting anybody's hopes up?

[Warren]

Whatever QB they pick at this point, assuming they do, won't be anointed the QB of the future. I'm better with taking one of those guys under those circumstances, especially Savage or maybe Mettenberger. I think McCarrron and Murray are backups at best and I don't think Boyd is an NFL QB.

[barrett]

If you draft a QB in round 4 or 5 and then cut him a year later nobody cares. If you draft a QB in round 1 or 2 you are tied to that guy and cannot get out from under him for a while (Gabbert, Locker, etc...).

If O'Brien doesn't want to bet his future or his job on a QB in this draft, then it is a self-serving and calculating move (and a smart one for the team), to not tie us to a QB he doesn't really believe in, just to get some young guy in here.

Either way it doesn't appear he is in any particular hurry to turn this team around (no real FA, no urgency at the most urgent position). I figured this was in store with any new coach, but especially with a guy known for doing it his way.

We will see a remade roster before we see a winning season (if we see one). And not going in big with a QB assures that O'Brien will not be judged on the results until he has his guys in place.

I am ok with taking the long view right now. If we have the right HC it will be worth it. If we don't, it just means we wasted 5 years instead of 3.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Warren

Whatever QB they pick at this point, assuming they do, won't be anointed the QB of the future. I'm better with taking one of those guys under those circumstances, especially Savage or maybe Mettenberger. I think McCarrron and Murray are backups at best and I don't think Boyd is an NFL QB.

Exactly. You just said in 1 sentence what I rambled for a page about.

[Roy P]

ILB Jordan Tripp, DE Kareem Martin, OL Brandon Thomas or OL Trai Turner could also help this roster. Interested in seeing where they are selected.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by barrett

If you draft a QB in round 4 or 5 and then cut him a year later nobody cares. If you draft a QB in round 1 or 2 you are tied to that guy and cannot get out from under him for a while (Gabbert, Locker, etc...).

If O'Brien doesn't want to bet his future or his job on a QB in this draft, then it is a self-serving and calculating move (and a smart one for the team), to not tie us to a QB he doesn't really believe in, just to get some young guy in here.

Either way it doesn't appear he is in any particular hurry to turn this team around (no real FA, no urgency at the most urgent position). I figured this was in store with any new coach, but especially with a guy known for doing it his way.

We will see a remade roster before we see a winning season (if we see one). And not going in big with a QB assures that O'Brien will not be judged on the results until he has his guys in place.

I am ok with taking the long view right now. If we have the right HC it will be worth it. If we don't, it just means we wasted 5 years instead of 3.

This makes sense but it's nevertheless depressing to pretty much write off this year already (and probably next year as well). O'Brien better be right that there wasn't an elite QB in this draft.