Texans to select Clowney....

popanot · #1 04-22-2014, 07:49 AM

Mack is a beast and reminds me a lot of Patrick Willis in his aggressive style of play and physicality. There's no questioning his motor and skills. I'm not sure I'd take him #1 overall, but I'd love it if they traded down and ended up with him.

If I were Rick Smith and the opportunity presented itself, I'd trade down with ATL at #6. You're assured of either Clowney, Mack, Robinson, QB-XYZ (likely Bortles), Matthews, or Watkins. All good players that fill a need. Watkins to a lessor extent, but we all know AJ is getting up there and his salary is becoming an issue. If you don't necessarily want Watkins, I'm sure there's a team willing to trade up for him - maybe STL or DET. Just saying #6 seems to be a sweet spot with fairly low risk as far as missing out on a top talent at a position of need.

HPF Bob · #2 04-22-2014, 10:34 AM

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If I were Rick Smith and the opportunity presented itself, I'd trade down with ATL at #6. You're assured of either Clowney, Mack, Robinson, QB-XYZ (likely Bortles), Matthews, or Watkins.

I think it depends on what Atlanta offers to trade up but I would presume the 2nd round pick as well as one other this year or next. (min: 1-6, 2-5 and 4-3 or a 1st or 2nd in 2015). The value in this draft (as it often is) is in the second and third rounds so having multiple picks there is a quick way to do a fast rebuild.

While I love Watkins, I think WR is our least position of need unless we actually trade AJ which isn't happening that quickly.

But I agree with the premise. At #6, you can have Clowney, Mack, QOTF, Robinson, Matthews or (at worst) Barr or a second trade down involving Watkins.

popanot · #3 04-25-2014, 10:02 AM

Chances are extremely high that ATL trades up for Clowney. They'll need to go to #1 to get him. Rumor is the Texans want #6, 37, a 2015 #1 and possibly a late 2014 pick. I'd do it for the first 3 in that list. Maybe we need to look our options at #6. Personally, I'd take Mack (doubt he's there tho) or Matthews at #6 and wait on QB. Bortles would be the only QB I'd take that high if QB is the choice.

barrett · #4 04-25-2014, 11:04 AM

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Chances are extremely high that ATL trades up for Clowney. They'll need to go to #1 to get him. Rumor is the Texans want #6, 37, a 2015 #1 and possibly a late 2014 pick. I'd do it for the first 3 in that list. Maybe we need to look our options at #6. Personally, I'd take Mack (doubt he's there tho) or Matthews at #6 and wait on QB. Bortles would be the only QB I'd take that high if QB is the choice.

Atlanta had a season similar to ours last year in that they opened with high expectations and ended in disaster. But they did not blow it up like us. They think they can be right back contending for a super bowl this year. This lends support to the thought they would give up a 2015 1st. They are coaching for their jobs there and they either win this year (and it's a low pick) or they get fired and they don't care who has the pick.

I would jump all over this. At worst we get a low 1st. At best they fall apart under Mike Smith again, he gets fired, and we end up with a pick near the top of next year's draft.

chuck · #5 04-25-2014, 11:41 AM

I would be all over this, too. Clowney may very well be the best player in the draft but I think there are too many question marks to take him first overall, certainly for the Texans to do so.

This is a deep draft and basically the only place I don't see a lot of value is at 1-1 so if someone else wants that pick and the Texans get a number of other picks in return I think it would be irresponsible not to do this.

I guess what I'm saying is that if the Texans pass on Clowney for more draft picks and Clowney goes on to be a monster I'll be fine with that. If they miss with a QB that they pick in the first or at the top of the second I'll be pissed.

WMH · #6 04-26-2014, 01:11 PM

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I guess what I'm saying is that if the Texans pass on Clowney for more draft picks and Clowney goes on to be a monster I'll be fine with that. If they miss with a QB that they pick in the first or at the top of the second I'll be pissed.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you'll be pissed regardless.

chuck · #7 04-26-2014, 02:20 PM

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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you'll be pissed regardless.

It's funny, you know, now that Kubiak's gone I find that I have a completely different attitude about this team. I don't know whether BOB is going to be a good coach or not but I do know that he is not an idiot so we're headed in the right direction on that count at least. He seems to live in 2014 rather than the 1980's so we're headed in the right direction on that count, too.

Last year my anger turned to fascination about game five so I can't really say I've been all that worked up about anything since then. This year I really don't have a guy I hope they get nor is there anything particular I'm wound up about their doing. I'd love to see them trade down because this is a deep draft and the team needs so much but if BOB loves a guy at #1 then I love him too.

I mean, I do like being annoyed so I can always find something but in all honesty as I get older I find that my passion for professional sports dims. It helps that to me the NBA is unwatchable and that the Astros are an American League shambles. I don't feel like I'm missing too much there. I do watch a lot of futbol, though, and since my teams are always serious underdogs it doesn't freak me out nearly as much as it might when they lose in spectacular, 1992 Oilers fashion.

Now I think I'm going to go meditate under a palm tree.

popanot · #8 04-25-2014, 02:28 PM

Man, I really like Mack and I think the Texans do too. If we did trade #1 for #6, #37 and a 2015 #1, I'd consider - if STL would do it - trading back up to #2 for #6 and #33 ~OR~ #37 (preferrably #37) to get Mack. That would give us Mack + a 2015 #1. Not a bad haul for moving down from #1 to #2.

Joshua · #9 04-25-2014, 02:58 PM

If I had to guess, Atlanta and Houston will work out a deal but it will be contingent on someone that Houston wants still being there when Atlanta picks. If that happens, the trade goes down.

If there is a QB that O'Brien thinks can be a franchise QB, I'm inclined to stay and No. 1 and just take him--the chance of getting one is just too important. If they are thinking Clowney at No. 1, then I would welcome a trade down.

nunusguy · #10 04-25-2014, 03:21 PM

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Man, I really like Mack and I think the Texans do too. If we did trade #1 for #6, #37 and a 2015 #1, I'd consider - if STL would do it - trading back up to #2 for #6 and #33 ~OR~ #37 (preferrably #37) to get Mack. That would give us Mack + a 2015 #1. Not a bad haul for moving down from #1 to #2.

But we can get a very good player at several different positions @ 1.6 who would help us a lot, don't need to think about trading back. For example @ 1.6 I wouldn't mind using the pick on an OT or Watkins if Mack was off of the Board. We need lots of help.

nunusguy · #11 04-25-2014, 12:28 PM

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Chances are extremely high that ATL trades up for Clowney. They'll need to go to #1 to get him. Rumor is the Texans want #6, 37, a 2015 #1 and possibly a late 2014 pick. I'd do it for the first 3 in that list. Maybe we need to look our options at #6. Personally, I'd take Mack (doubt he's there tho) or Matthews at #6 and wait on QB. Bortles would be the only QB I'd take that high if QB is the choice.

That would be a great deal for us, and actually I'd accept less than that for our #1.

HPF Bob · #12 04-25-2014, 01:26 PM

I agree. Trading down makes sense so long as we don't settle for too little on the trade and we get a guy at 1-6 that was the guy we really wanted all along.

I'm okay at 1-6 with (in order) Clowney, Mack, Matthews, Robinson, Bortles and Barr. I'd really hope that somebody bites on Manziel and Watkins so we have some options.

I'd accept an offer with the Falcons for 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 1st, 2nd, 2015 1st or 1st, 2nd, 4th and 2015 2nd. Keep in mind the Falcons were the NFC version of the Texans and just had a season where everything went wrong. I'd expect them to be a .500 team next year meaning not a top-round draft choice if we go the 2015 route.

chuck · #13 04-25-2014, 01:49 PM

If one of the teams with picks 2-5 goes with a QB (which is quite probable given who the teams are) then the Texans will surely have the opportunity to draft a guy who will make an immediate impact. And I would be happy with any of the guys who'd still be there, including Watkins, who I think is going to be a monster. If he's the best player on your board then take him and let DCs figure out how to cover him, Dre and Nuke.