Marciano - Fired!!

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

Whatever the motive or timing, I sure feel a heck of a lot better now than I did 2 hours ago. Now I know I won't ever have to see Kubiak or Marciano on the sideline or listen to another crap Kubiak presser again. Too bad they couldn't fire the rest of them today too. Guess we'll just have to wait the 3 weeks for them.

But this is still true and the most important thing today. At least until we make a hire.

[chuck]

The hilarious thing is that Schaub, bless him, plainly outplayed Keenum last night and McNair is the only one who doesn't seem to know it.

My only hope is that they'll hire a head coach who demands that Rick Smith be fired. I can't really see this happening but I didn't see them firing Lickey mid-season or Marciano at all.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

The hilarious thing is that Schaub, bless him, plainly outplayed Keenum last night and McNair is the only one who doesn't seem to know it.

My only hope is that they'll hire a head coach who demands that Rick Smith be fired. I can't really see this happening but I didn't see them firing Lickey mid-season or Marciano at all.

Schaub is who he is and he was that guy again last night. I never need to see him take another snap. But Kubiak is a lame duck and can only try to win the games since he has no next year with this team. He clearly believes Schaub gives them the best chance in any kind of 2 minute situation. Who knows if he's right (and who cares). All these idiots are gone next year.

But if you are McNair and you are truly playing for next year and you honestly thought Keenum was next year's answer and wanted him to play, then you fire Kubiak at the bye and give Wade the clear directive to play Keenum. You don't keep your lame duck coach and hope he cares about next year's team that he's not a part of.

But this wasn't about next year or anything else football related. This was McNair reading tea leaves and trying to cuddle up to dumb, angry, talk radio fan. "Fire Kubiak. Fire Marciano. Schaub stinks. Keenum is great."

If McNair had done this at the bye, I would believe it was about next year and evaluating/developing Case. Instead it's a clear play to win the media and fan base after an embarrassing season.

[barrett]

Then McNair followed up with talk about how talented our roster still is and an instant turn around (so this year was all Kubiak's fault, Smith is a great GM, and fans should keep believing and paying).

And then he named Lovie Smith as an example of a guy to interview. Lovie might as well be the Defensive Gary Kubiak.

[chuck]

McNair is clueless and this franchise is doomed.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

McNair is clueless and this franchise is doomed.

We just need him to be right once.

[nunusguy]

Not sure why Lovie is held in such low esteem by some, but at the least a sit down with him would meet the perfunctory Rooney Rule.
Now for a Bro with more "color", perhaps David Shaw would be a more appealing prospect ?

[WMH]

Originally Posted by barrett

And then he named Lovie Smith as an example of a guy to interview. Lovie might as well be the Defensive Gary Kubiak.

He was asked a specific question about Lovie, and he answered that question. He's an obvious interview for several reasons, but he didn't do anything other than answer a question.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by WMH

He was asked a specific question about Lovie, and he answered that question. He's an obvious interview for several reasons, but he didn't do anything other than answer a question.

What are the several reasons?

[WMH]

Originally Posted by barrett

What are the several reasons?

HC experience, NFL experience, couple of playoff trips, made it to the big game, etc. Regardless of what you or I may think, he's a qualified applicant. And I really hate to say this, but a minority candidate.

Not saying he'd be my choice, but can guess pretty confidently he'll be in the mix.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

.................If McNair had done this at the bye, I would believe it was about next year and evaluating/developing Case. Instead it's a clear play to win the media and fan base after an embarrassing season.

Sounds like it's a no-win situation for McNair. If he waits till the end of the season to do the dismissal, fans are even more upset. By doing it now, it's an agenda/money driven decision? Letting Kubiak go at the bye (record was 2-5 at that point) would seem a bit premature for a coach coming off two straight playoff years, IMO....

I think fan outrage started with Schaub, then went to Kubiak and then went right on up the ladder. People need to realize McNair isn't going anywhere - everybody else doesn't have that luxury or job security.

All the peeps that have been calling for his (Kubiak's) head, some dating back to years ago, should be happy right about now....

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

Sounds like it's a no-win situation for McNair. If he waits till the end of the season to do the dismissal, fans are even more upset. By doing it now, it's an agenda/money driven decision? Letting Kubiak go at the bye (record was 2-5 at that point) would seem a bit premature for a coach coming off two straight playoff years, IMO....

I think fan outrage started with Schaub, then went to Kubiak and then went right on up the ladder. People need to realize McNair isn't going anywhere - everybody else doesn't have that luxury or job security.

All the peeps that have been calling for his (Kubiak's) head, some dating back to years ago, should be happy right about now....

Of course it's a no-win situation for McNair, his team is 2-11 and on an 11 game losing streak. It's always no win when you don't win.

I am not asking for McNair to go anywhere. He is the owner. End of story. I saw plenty of negative comments about McNair in this thread but nothing close to "let's get rid of him." Nobody in this thread needs to realize anything about McNair not going anywhere.

McNair fires Kubiak and says Keenum needs to play and improve? Do you truly believe he thinks Keenum will play next year? Or do you think he likes that Keenum takes a bit of heat off, while Schaub just makes people angrier?

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

Of course it's a no-win situation for McNair, his team is 2-11 and on an 11 game losing streak. It's always no win when you don't win. I am not asking for McNair to go anywhere. He is the owner. End of story. I saw plenty of negative comments about McNair in this thread but nothing close to "let's get rid of him." Nobody in this thread needs to realize anything about McNair not going anywhere.?

So, you just pile on suggesting he's a fan-pleasing, money-grubbing weasel pandering to the fans?

I'm suggesting being mad at McNair does doesn't do anybody any good. Smith/Kubiak/the players all can be replaced, obviously. The owner, that doesn't change - you're (anybody) wasting your time. If grousing about him or bad mouthing him makes you feel better go ahead and continue... I think he's a good man and wants a winner - he's way better than most owners. Not cheap, not a butthead, not an a-hole..... I see him as a kindly grandfather type whose only weakness is he spoils the grandkids (GM/coaches/players) too much. Some people call that "clueless".

McNair fires Kubiak and says Keenum needs to play and improve? Do you truly believe he thinks Keenum will play next year? Or do you think he likes that Keenum takes a bit of heat off, while Schaub just makes people angrier?

I think McNair is like most of us and has had his fill of Matt Schaub. Keenum might not be the future but he's the most, er.....interesting... on the roster right now. If McNair says "losing to Jacksonville" twice was his motivation for the firing, I kinda believe that. I'm just not buying the kiss-and-makeup-with-the-fans line as the reason for the firing.....

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

So, you just pile on suggesting he's a fan-pleasing, money-grubbing weasel pandering to the fans?

I'm suggesting being mad at McNair does doesn't do anybody any good. Smith/Kubiak/the players all can be replaced, obviously. The owner, that doesn't change - you're (anybody) wasting your time. If grousing about him or bad mouthing him makes you feel better go ahead and continue... I think he's a good man and wants a winner - he's way better than most owners. Not cheap, not a butthead, not an a-hole..... I see him as a kindly grandfather type whose only weakness is he spoils the grandkids (GM/coaches/players) too much. Some people call that "clueless".



I think McNair is like most of us and has had his fill of Matt Schaub. Keenum might not be the future but he's the most, er.....interesting... on the roster right now. If McNair says "losing to Jacksonville" twice was his motivation for the firing, I kinda believe that. I'm just not buying the kiss-and-makeup-with-the-fans line as the reason for the firing.....

I'm wasting everyone's time by whining about McNair? Wow. Just wow.

Aren't you the guy who just told me this week that you were responding on this site to "Case Bashers" FROM OTHER SITES, and you would do it as much as you wanted to. And now I am wasting your time by complaining about the owner who presided over this 2-11 mess?

I don't care if McNair is your actual grandfather or just a kindly old grandfather type. I don't care if he is a good man and wants a winner. I don't care if he's sick of Matt Schaub. I care if he hires good people, and he hasn't. He protected Marciano in the last changeover. He hired Kubiak.

He didn't fire an NFL head coach with a sub .500 career record and a 10 game losing streak, and then he did fire the same HC saying it was partly about not playing a QB who has never won an NFL game. Either he likes feeding a hometown hero to the fans because they are dumb enough to be distracted by him being "interesting" (present company included), or he really was just sick of Schaub and he has no business forming opinions on who should play QB for this team. It is no win for him.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

Do you truly believe he thinks Keenum will play next year? Or do you think he likes that Keenum takes a bit of heat off, while Schaub just makes people angrier?

I believe he thinks the Schaub ship sailed weeks ago and should have never come into port again. I believe he thinks Keenum is the only QB on his payroll that even has a remote chance of being here next year (whether you think so or not), and thus, should be playing and gaining experience regardless of the game situation or even if he's playing as poorly as Schaub has over the last 2 years. I believe he was totally disgusted with how the Jags game went down and said, screw it, lets just do this now. I believe he finally saw the light and decided he would like to get a head start on his HC interviews and it's now easier to do that with Kubiak out of the building.

Seriously, they have one home game left against the top team in the AFC with a HOF QB and an Offense on a historical pace. Do you really think he made the move or made the comments he did because he thinks he needs Keenum to fill the seats or appease the fan-base? I'm sure even McNair understands the stadium will be mostly filled because 1)season ticket holders won't want to waste the investment they made and will either go to the last home game or sell/give the tickets away, 2) local fans who couldn't afford to have the NFL stadium experience will now be able to get cheap tickets, 3)there will be a lot of Broncos fans filling those seats, or 4)all of the above.

I think it's pretty safe to assume McNair doesn't actually believe the fans (or advertisers) will flock to the stadium one last time to see Keenum play or Wade plodding down the sideline or our improved ST play now that Marciano is gone. Question the timing all you want, but saying he did it now just to appease the fans has very little merit at this point in the season. Frustration, yes. Fan appeasement, no.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

I believe he thinks the Schaub ship sailed weeks ago and should have never come into port again. I believe he thinks Keenum is the only QB on his payroll that even has a remote chance of being here next year (whether you think so or not), and thus, should be playing and gaining experience regardless of the game situation or even if he's playing as poorly as Schaub has over the last 2 years. I believe he was totally disgusted with how the Jags game went down and said, screw it, lets just do this now. I believe he finally saw the light and decided he would like to get a head start on his HC interviews and it's now easier to do that with Kubiak out of the building.

Seriously, they have one home game left against the top team in the AFC with a HOF QB and an Offense on a historical pace. Do you really think he made the move or made the comments he did because he thinks he needs Keenum to fill the seats or appease the fan-base? I'm sure even McNair understands the stadium will be mostly filled because 1)season ticket holders won't want to waste the investment they made and will either go to the last home game or sell/give the tickets away, 2) local fans who couldn't afford to have the NFL stadium experience will now be able to get cheap tickets, 3)there will be a lot of Broncos fans filling those seats, or 4)all of the above.

I think it's pretty safe to assume McNair doesn't actually believe the fans (or advertisers) will flock to the stadium one last time to see Keenum play or Wade plodding down the sideline or our improved ST play now that Marciano is gone. Question the timing all you want, but saying he did it now just to appease the fans has very little merit at this point in the season. Frustration, yes. Fan appeasement, no.

I don't think it has anything to do with ticket sales or finances. Like I said in the post you quoted, the last 3 games just go down a little easier with Case at QB. I know they do for me. I think that is most of why McNair wants Case in there, as a bridge from bridge 2-11 to the eternal optimism of the offseason. Matt Schaub on the other hand gets burned in efigy in the parking lot and accosted at his home. Those are not the headlines McNair wants.

At least I hope that is why he made the change. Because if he really did it because he thinks Case needs to play, that is far worse. An owner has no business deciding what players start. I understand wanting this season to end in the least frustrating way for fans possible, but I don't get an owner picking the starting lineup.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

I believe he thinks the Schaub ship sailed weeks ago and should have never come into port again. I believe he thinks Keenum is the only QB on his payroll that even has a remote chance of being here next year (whether you think so or not), and thus, should be playing and gaining experience regardless of the game situation or even if he's playing as poorly as Schaub has over the last 2 years.

I guess Wade Phillips disagrees. I'm completely shocked they went back to Schaub. Why make all these changes in the last month of a dead season. Just let it end and slink into the offseason.