Sage to Minnesota? (Speculation)

[HPF Bob]

While I was gung-ho to trade Sage during the spring, that was with the understanding that we would a) get a 2008 draft choice to replace our second and b) find a decent replacement for Sage in the off-season. Neither of those is possible now plus Schaub seems to have a bit of a glass jaw.

I wouldn't do it now. It's way too risky unless you are ready to mail in the 2008 season.

[nero THE zero]

Sage is entirely too overvalued by our fans. He'll suffice as a starter, but he's nothing exception and certainly not irreplacable. He's gone after this season, so if you can get a starter and/or draft picks for him there is no question you make that move. I understand the hesitation based in the fact that, if Schaub goes down again, Sage is possibly the difference in a 7 win season and a 10 win season. But, in the bigger picture, at the end of the season, would you rather have 10 wins and nothing for sage or 7 wins and a starting player (Chester Taylor for example) for years to come?

I'll take Taylor over the next few years over Sage for this year everyday of the week. And if Matt doesn't work out this season, sign a back-up comparable to Sage in the offseason and draft a QB in the draft.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

Sage is entirely too overvalued by our fans. He'll suffice as a starter, but he's nothing exception and certainly not irreplacable. He's gone after this season, so if you can get a starter and/or draft picks for him there is no question you make that move. I understand the hesitation based in the fact that, if Schaub goes down again, Sage is possibly the difference in a 7 win season and a 10 win season. But, in the bigger picture, at the end of the season, would you rather have 10 wins and nothing for sage or 7 wins and a starting player (Chester Taylor for example) for years to come?

I'll take Taylor over the next few years over Sage for this year everyday of the week. And if Matt doesn't work out this season, sign a back-up comparable to Sage in the offseason and draft a QB in the draft.

I could be wrong, but I believe Sage is under contract through next season.

[da Bull]

My point was not specifically to trade Sage, but to spectulate on value for value. Minnesota has a strong team, especially defensively, but is starting to panic because of the lack of quarterback play. If they were to have a capable quarterback such as Sage (admittedly he hasn't played in there system) would it strengthen their team? Taking a piece out of their puzzle, either offensively or defensively what would strengthen our team now (DE, NT, RB and etc.), not draft choices? Each side giving something up of defined value yet potentially gaining more in return by filling a definite hole.......and maybe backup quarterback is the biggest hole we have to fill. I don't know, but, personally I think an experienced, double handful of double meat/double cheese in the middle of the defensive line to stop the run would go a long way to curing our defensive ills, thus bettering the team as a whole.

[Joshua]

I agree that now is probably not the time to pull the trigger on a trade since Schaub's durability is still a question mark and we have no one even remotely ready to step in as the backup. However, I do think the mindset that "in the NFL, in order to win, you have to have a good backup who can come in and play when your starter goes down" is highly overrated. I quickly looked at the last few Superbowls. The Superbowl winning QBs from the 2001 season to present missed a combined 7 regular season games. That's an average of 1 game a year. Further, 5 of these 7 QBs (Eli, Peyton, Brady 3 times) didn't miss a start. Only Brad Johnson, who missed 3 in '02 and Big Ben, who missed 4 in '05, actually missed a start (and notably, both of these guys were on really good defensive teams where their main job was to not screw it up).

What this tells me is that to win in the NFL you need a good and extremely durable QB. Without one, you're chances of winning are pretty slim, no matter who your backup is. For the most part, backups have not played a meaningful role in a Superbowl champs season in years.

[cadams]

the last one i can think of was warner for the rams. before that, i have no idea

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by cadams

the last one i can think of was warner for the rams. before that, i have no idea

Warner was the 3rd string guy going into camp and there was a backup for Drew Bledsoe in New England who I think took that team to a Super Bowl.

So lightning has struck more than once in the NFL in last few years.

[Joshua]

I think Warner and Brady fall into a different category. While they may have started the season as a backup, both proved to be better than the original starters and won the starting jobs (and Superbowls and MVPs). This is not your traditional backyp who is merely a seat warmer until the starter comes back. Now, if you believe Sage falls in this category and is a starter in waiting who is better than Schaub (and someone we can win superbowls with), that's a different discussion.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

While I was gung-ho to trade Sage during the spring, that was with the understanding that we would a) get a 2008 draft choice to replace our second and b) find a decent replacement for Sage in the off-season. Neither of those is possible now plus Schaub seems to have a bit of a glass jaw.

I wouldn't do it now. It's way too risky unless you are ready to mail in the 2008 season.

I agree with this, unless someone got crazy desperate and offered a #1 round pick. he will still have another year left on his contract after this season, so if you can get solid value for him after the season then that would be something to think about. getting rid of him now would be gambling that schaub will stay healthy all season long, which isn't a given by any means. especially now that they get to play the next 15 games without a bye week.