Case Keenum: Career Backup or Something More?

[HPF Bob]

I would not want Keenum as the uncontested starter next season but I'm not ready to bury him as "career backup" just yet. He was off-target more today than the past four games but there were also passes I'd expect NFL receivers to catch, particularly on that final drive.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I would not want Keenum as the uncontested starter next season but I'm not ready to bury him as "career backup" just yet. He was off-target more today than the past four games but there were also passes I'd expect NFL receivers to catch, particularly on that final drive.

Eheh. You mean a rookie had a couple of bad games? Hell, they gave KJ 2 years to figure it out - that's what being a first rounder buys you - plenty of OJT....

Ya, I'm not giving up on him, yet. I want to see if he continues to regress or can turn it around before the year is out. Everyone should admit he's in a tough situation.... The coach is probably going to get fired and I'm not sure he's behind him 100%, O-line sucks, receivers can't catch. He's got a QB coach, an OC and Head Coach all "working him".....

Seems like some expect "sensational" all the time.... QB's have bad days (duh)....Look around the league - all QB's have bad performances, the really good and experienced ones keep the stink to a minimum...

They should keep Keenum in the rest of year just for the fact he's not a big INT guy (today's INT really shouldn't count, but it does). If memory serves, he was that way in college, too - low INT's... If someone wants to discuss his "almost INT's", well, just like a close team loss, a close INT doesn't count....

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

Eheh. You mean a rookie had a couple of bad games? Hell, they gave KJ 2 years to figure it out - that's what being a first rounder buys you - plenty of OJT....

Ya, I'm not giving up on him, yet. I want to see if he continues to regress or can turn it around before the year is out. Everyone should admit he's in a tough situation.... The coach is probably going to get fired and I'm not sure he's behind him 100%, O-line sucks, receivers can't catch. He's got a QB coach, an OC and Head Coach all "working him".....

Seems like some expect "sensational" all the time.... QB's have bad days (duh)....Look around the league - all QB's have bad performances, the really good and experienced ones keep the stink to a minimum...

They should keep Keenum in the rest of year just for the fact he's not a big INT guy (today's INT really shouldn't count, but it does). If memory serves, he was that way in college, too - low INT's... If someone wants to discuss his "almost INT's", well, just like a close team loss, a close INT doesn't count....

So "almost" INTs don't count where he throws it right to the other team, but actual INTs don't count either if they are the WRs fault? Can't really have it both ways.

I think he has played ok considering circumstances. But we are 0-5 when he starts. We score less than 20 a game when he starts (near the league bottom). We average around 5 points per 2nd half when he plays. And all of these stats are declining (except w/l which can't get worse).

I appreciate the effort, the fun, and the hope he's brought after Schaub threw up all over this season, but nothing about his performance says pass on a QB you like. I think you draft like he doesn't exist. That doesn't mean force a QB, but don't pass on one because you've got a guy who can be a top 20 NFL QB under the right circumstances.

[WMH]

1st, he's not a rookie.
He's consistently gotten worse since his first game, and has yet to have a good 2nd half.
The kids got heart and desire, but is limited on tools. I hope he sticks in the league for a long time, just don't care to have him as my QB with so many other options available that could actually move us forward.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

So "almost" INTs don't count where he throws it right to the other team, but actual INTs don't count either if they are the WRs fault? Can't really have it both ways.

I think he has played ok considering circumstances. But we are 0-5 when he starts. We score less than 20 a game when he starts (near the league bottom). We average around 5 points per 2nd half when he plays. And all of these stats are declining (except w/l which can't get worse).

No, what I'm referring to is the Case critics who seem to count his "almost INT's". When a heavy-fisted linebacker drops an INT, it really doesn't count as an INT but the Case critics put a check mark in the negative column ("dude, he almost threw two INT's last game"). When one of his receivers bobbles the ball and the other team INT's, yes, that counts on his record as an INT (as opposed to an "almost INT"). I'm not having it both ways.

Compare to his 0-5 record (0-4.5 actually, Schaub gets some "credit" for Oakland), every one of those games was a close loss. The Texans were in a position to have won every one of those games. But nobody made a play in crunch time and Keenum is not immune here. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades and "almost INT's" with the Case critics..... Got it?

I appreciate the effort, the fun, and the hope he's brought after Schaub threw up all over this season, but nothing about his performance says pass on a QB you like. I think you draft like he doesn't exist. That doesn't mean force a QB, but don't pass on one because you've got a guy who can be a top 20 NFL QB under the right circumstances.

I think Keenum is just about the only interesting thing going on with the Texans the rest of the way. I'll probably tune in just to see how he does..... Him and Watt.... Watt is worth the price of admission.....

[chuck]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I would not want Keenum as the uncontested starter next season but I'm not ready to bury him as "career backup" just yet.

He's got a poor line and no running game. He may very well be what we're seeing but I think he's better than this. I hope he is, anyway. If there's not a slam dunk QB sitting there when the Texans draft I want them to go pass rush like they should have done in their first draft. I don't want another Carr (possibly literally) to set the team back another decade.