Official Texans vs. Raiders Game Thread, 11/17/2013

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by Arky

Undrafted guy better than a 1st round pick? Yeah, like that never happens in the NFL... (Hi Arian)

Statistically, Keenum had a better college career than all those guys. That's. Just. Reality. He was Heisman candidate.... He went undrafted because he was too small by NFL standards and got injured and sucked at the combine... Doesn't mean he's not a baller...

Please join me in watching Keenum for the rest of the year where we may better determine if he's got what it takes..... Then, perhaps then we can discuss the merits of each of these can't-miss 1st round franchise QB's.....

I know it sounds like I'm beating Case up and that's not my intention. He's played beyond my expectations and seems like a good kid (although kid may not be the right word, he's only 10 days younger than Matt Stafford). I was mainly just agreeing with Barrett that it is highly unlikely that a new coach would roll with Case. Also, I feel like people are already willing to go with the hometown kid as long as he's decent. We've spent the last 8 years spinning our wheels with a "decent" QB. I'm inclined to try and hit a home run. Now, we may strike out doing that, but that's what I would do.

As for an undrafted person outperforming a drafted one, sure it happens. Someone also wins the lottery or comes home from Vegas with more money than they started with. Doesn't mean the odds are good. There is a wikipedia page which lists all the starting QBs in the league. Take a look, the overwhelmingly majority were taken early in the draft. The handful of late round/undrafted starters are not exactly a who's who of guys you would want to build your team around.

[Joshua]

And I notice you snuck "statistically" into your claim that Case had a better college career than those guys. I mean, I guess that's true if you only look at career numbers, but by that logic, only guys who stay 4 (or in Case's case-6) years in college can lay claim to having the better college career, when pretty much excludes all the best players because anybody worth a crap anymore comes out, at the latest, when they are juniors, And apparently the conference you play in is totally irrelevant too. Weak sauce.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by Joshua

And I notice you snuck "statistically" into your claim that Case had a better college career than those guys. I mean, I guess that's true if you only look at career numbers, but by that logic, only guys who stay 4 (or in Case's case-6) years in college can lay claim to having the better college career, when pretty much excludes all the best players because anybody worth a crap anymore comes out, at the latest, when they are juniors, And apparently the conference you play in is totally irrelevant too. Weak sauce.

Dang, you were doing good until you threw this out. I didn't "sneak" anything.

If you want to do the research, just pick Case's individual best year and compare it to any of your prospects best year. I'm guessing only JFF will be close....Re: Conference play, well, ya, Keenum probably had it better in Conference USA - but he dominated..... Isn't that what you want in today's Passing NFL? An (accurate) passing fool? Any moron can hand the ball off..... People dissed his preseason performance because, hey, he was doing it against a bunch scrubs.. I'd say, not exactly..... he was showing he was an NFL'er and they weren't. Undrafted Romo amassed his credentials in Div II. and would be welcome to start for a lot of teams.

Speculation is great message board talk but I just think some of you need to back out of the crystal ball for a while and let this thing play out. And..... one more time, this will make a lot more sense at the end of the season when the coaching decisions are settled...


Barrett: Understood.

[HPF Bob]

Regarding college passing accuracy, Vince Young led the NCAA in completion percentage his junior year at Texas. I think that's because opponents were scared like crap that he was going to run so why not invite him to pass instead?

[barrett]

And with all that said...I'm a HUGE Keenum fan. I am a UH alum, I watched him for parts of SIX years in college, I loved it when the Texans signed him, I almost drooled when I got to watch a Texans QB make an off schedule play the first time he started, I got chills watching him live vs. Indy, and I think he has an NFL future. If that future can be here and include a Superbowl that would be the ultimate dream.

Maybe part of my pessisism is just my fear that I won't get to see that because I am watching some new coach gut this roster because he wants "his" guys.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by barrett

Maybe part of my pessisism is just my fear that I won't get to see that because I am watching some new coach gut this roster because he wants "his" guys.

That's a hazard with any regime change. Some of it depends on whether the GM changes or whether the owner is giving a win-now mandate, etc. There's no guarantee that the next guy, whomever it is, isn't going to clean house - sometimes for better and sometimes for worse.

I'd just like to see Keenum get his chance and I am happy he is getting it. If he doesn't succeed in Houston, maybe he'll get his chance in Buffalo or Tampa or some place.

[HPF Bob]

BTW, nice to see a long passionate thread around here. Haven't seen one of those in some time although it veered way off the initial subject.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

And with all that said...I'm a HUGE Keenum fan. I am a UH alum, I watched him for parts of SIX years in college, I loved it when the Texans signed him, I almost drooled when I got to watch a Texans QB make an off schedule play the first time he started, I got chills watching him live vs. Indy, and I think he has an NFL future. If that future can be here and include a Superbowl that would be the ultimate dream.

Maybe part of my pessisism is just my fear that I won't get to see that because I am watching some new coach gut this roster because he wants "his" guys.

What a surprise. Why did I think you were from back east Barrett, like maybe Boston ?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

What a surprise. Why did I think you were from back east Barrett, like maybe Boston ?

I posted once upon a time that I was born there and still retain a fondness for the Pats. But I got to Texas as soon as I could (before HS) and have been here my entire adult life and don't plan on ever leaving.

[Nconroe]

So what is the problem(s) with second half. Seems like two different teams.

Is it play calling, execution of play calls? Can it get fixed soon?