I'm done with Kubiak and Schaub. They need to go

[Keith]

Originally Posted by WMH

Interesting read from Barnwell:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...broncos-week-4

Great read, level-headed. And I'd agree if this single game existed in a vacuum, but it is just the latest step in a downward spiral.

The concussion point is a good one... a concussion could explain some foggy decision making.

[Joshua]

I guess crazier things have happened but I can't conceive of a scenario where Schaub gets "hot." He doesn't have the arm strength to bomb it, doesn't have the legs to scramble, and doesn't have the testicular fortitude to stand in there when pressure comes. So, how is he going to get "hot" unless hot simply means the team as a whole is playing so well that Schaub simply never has to make a play out of nothing.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I guess crazier things have happened but I can't conceive of a scenario where Schaub gets "hot." He doesn't have the arm strength to bomb it, doesn't have the legs to scramble, and doesn't have the testicular fortitude to stand in there when pressure comes. So, how is he going to get "hot" unless hot simply means the team as a whole is playing so well that Schaub simply never has to make a play out of nothing.

I don't know if "hot" would accurately describe him, but he was pretty good in the 2nd half of the San Diego and in OT vs. the Titans.

I believe we are tied to him for '13 and '14, and I am HOPEFUL we will take someone in Round 1 as his replacement.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by WMH

I don't know if "hot" would accurately describe him, but he was pretty good in the 2nd half of the San Diego and in OT vs. the Titans.

I believe we are tied to him for '13 and '14, and I am HOPEFUL we will take someone in Round 1 as his replacement.

Sure, he's capable of playing pretty well for a half against OK teams. But "hot" in the playoffs will probably require going and out beating Balt., Denver, Cincy, etc. or some combination thereof for 3 straight weeks (and probably on the road) and then taking on the NFC Champion. Just can't fathom a scenario where he plays lights out for over a month against the best competition in the most pressure filled environment.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I guess crazier things have happened but I can't conceive of a scenario where Schaub gets "hot." He doesn't have the arm strength to bomb it, doesn't have the legs to scramble, and doesn't have the testicular fortitude to stand in there when pressure comes. So, how is he going to get "hot" unless hot simply means the team as a whole is playing so well that Schaub simply never has to make a play out of nothing.

I agree with this 100%. You cannot win in the postseason without great QB play. Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are both worse than Matt Schaub on a week to week basis. They turn in more stinkers than any real starting QB. Rothleisberger is no better week to week than Schaub is. But all 3 of those guys have a hot to go with their cold that Schaub doesn't have. Schaub is simply luke warm. And since the middle of last season he is luke warm with no arm. He looks like a pitcher who lost his fastball and occasionally gets taken deep because he is trying to play the same game with a 85 mph fastball. There is no scenario in which he plays out of his mind in the playoffs and we win a superbowl with him. So what are we hanging on a single week more for? I really like Matt Schaub but kudos to the guy who burned his jersey in the parking lot and lets do it 10,000 more times until someone listens.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by barrett

He looks like a pitcher who lost his fastball and occasionally gets taken deep because he is trying to play the same game with a 85 mph fastball.

That's what I've been trying to convey since before the season began. If anyone still has the third game of the pre-season (Saints, IIRC), go back and look at that game and look at Schaub's delivery vs. Yates'. Yates has some zing to his passes I haven't seen from Schaub since mid-season last year. Grantland said his Pick 6 floated for all eternity and that's what too many of his throws have looked like this season, forcing his receivers to win jump balls (hello, Hopkins) or preventing them from getting significant YAC because the defender has time to break on the pass.

Now, if you have the early games from last year (Broncos, Jets), you can see the zing is there. Compare that to his second half of 2012 and this year and it is missing. That's why I believe he has a shoulder problem he has been hiding.

[popanot]

The article brings up some good points. However, the author focuses way too much on the Schaub's pick-6 history and apparently has not watched very many Texans games over the last couple of years. Maybe he has and has just forgotten what Scahub has become. Of course people are upset about the recent pick-6's, but the author completely ignores the phantom sacks, the lack of zip in his throws, the untimely INTs (the non-pick6 variety), as well as all failures Schaub has had against prime competition when it counts the most.

I'm not even going to bring up Schaub's name in comparison to P. Manning or Brees, but as far as Flacco and Eli go, while those two can play poorly, they can also carry a team (like they have done in the playoffs) and can get hot as hell at times. I don't think Schaub has ever been mistaken for someone that can carry a team. Certainly not now. At this moment, I don't any way in God's creation Schaub is going to win a Super Bowl, whereas, I could see Flacco or Eli winning another one.

[Joshua]

Ironically enough, this is what Bill Simmons (Bill Barnwell's boss at Grantland) had to say about Schaub last Friday when making his pick for the Texans-Seahawks game -- "In case you want to know how Houston's Super Bowl chances are looking right now, a reader named Shyan in London recently sent me an inspired e-mail comparing Matt Schaub to Rudy Gay. Really solid analogy. Because of Schaub, I don't know if Houston has an A-game — it's more of a B-plus-at-best game."

I think that gets it right.