I'm done with Kubiak and Schaub. They need to go

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by barrett

On Houston's 3 and out with the 20-13 lead we called 3 straight pass plays. In the 2nd half with a lead the whole time we called 11 passes and 9 runs before the drive with the pick 6. We ran the same offense and called the same plays in the 2nd half. Kubiak did nothing to cost us this game. He had his guys more than ready to start the game for the first time all year. He mixed up the play calling beautifully against the league's best defense. And then Matt Schaub throws it to the other team. That is 3 games in a row Schaub has thrown a TD for the other guys.

Kubiak cannot make the plays for these guys. He can't make Ben Tate hold onto the ball (and prepare for him to get burried like last year). This team is broken and Matt Schaub is what needs to be fixed. It is amazing Kubiak has gotten 2 division titles and a pair of playoff wins out of our brutal QB play.

But Schaub is Kubiak's chosen one, for whom he's made no effort to even bring in any competition. Don't see how the failings of his guy absolves him. By his actions, Kubiak bet on Schaub being the guy. He has to answer for that.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

But Schaub is Kubiak's chosen one, for whom he's made no effort to even bring in any competition. Don't see how the failings of his guy absolves him. By his actions, Kubiak bet on Schaub being the guy. He has to answer for that.

He bet on Schaub over who? Name me the playoff team that ever spent a high draft pick or FA money on a backup QB to give their starter competition.

Schaub got a free pass 2 years ago by being hurt. Then he tanked at the end of last year and is obviously on short leash career in houston wise. The GM made critical media statements about him after last week. He is in a make or break year. If we get this for 16 weeks and don't go past round 2, I'd be shocked if Schaub survives. Rick Smith is the ultimate decision maker on this stuff and has never been shy about making moves.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by barrett

He bet on Schaub over who? Name me the playoff team that ever spent a high draft pick or FA money on a backup QB to give their starter competition.

Schaub got a free pass 2 years ago by being hurt. Then he tanked at the end of last year and is obviously on short leash career in houston wise. The GM made critical media statements about him after last week. He is in a make or break year. If we get this for 16 weeks and don't go past round 2, I'd be shocked if Schaub survives. Rick Smith is the ultimate decision maker on this stuff and has never been shy about making moves.

San Fran took the job away from the guy that took them to the NFC championship game last year. And then got to the Super Bowl.

And let's not act like Schaub's shortcomings are new. It's been a topic for well over a year. In fact, go back and pull up the thread when it was rumored that we were Manning's first choice, I, along with others (but not Bob, he was still advocating for assembling the elusive perfect roster around Schaub), couldn't believe the Texans weren't willing to even explore this. Can you imagine this team with Manning? But, no, we had Schaub, why would we consider one of the best to ever play the game.

Regardless of what everyone else has done, Kubiak's job is to put together the best football team he can. There is no indication he's even considered bringing in any competition since the minute he and Schaub played golf together 7 years ago and Schaub wowed him with his ability to talk football when there's not a defender within 5 miles. That's on him.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

San Fran took the job away from the guy that took them to the NFC championship game last year. And then got to the Super Bowl.

And let's not act like Schaub's shortcomings are new. It's been a topic for well over a year. In fact, go back and pull up the thread when it was rumored that we were Manning's first choice, I, along with others (but not Bob, he was still advocating for assembling the elusive perfect roster around Schaub), couldn't believe the Texans weren't willing to even explore this. Can you imagine this team with Manning? But, no, we had Schaub, why would we consider one of the best to ever play the game.

Regardless of what everyone else has done, Kubiak's job is to put together the best football team he can. There is no indication he's even considered bringing in any competition since the minute he and Schaub played golf together 7 years ago and Schaub wowed him with his ability to talk football when there's not a defender within 5 miles. That's on him.

SF was not creating competition, they had a new coach who took a year to replace the QB he never wanted. He tried to replace him that summer and then did replace him that season.

But I agree we were stupid not going after Manning. I said it in that thread and say it again. I have no problem with anyone saying we should have replaced Schaub. It is not often done with a QB on a playoff team, but it should have been (should be). But you don't bring in competition for an established starter, you replace them or you don't.

[WMH]

Actually, I was a kinda pissed Kubiak didn't take his foot off the gas and had Schaub throwing on the play that led to the pick 6.

But that's just me.

[Joshua]

We're probably talking past each other and it's partly my fault for not being clear. It's not that I want competition per se, it's that I want to see some indication that Kubiak sees what the rest of us see--that Schaub is a middling QB that it will be basically impossible to win with. However, he's done nothing to suggest that he has. Whether its a free agent, a draft pick, answering the phone when Peyton freakin' Manning calls, etc., everything he has done the last 3 years indicates he thinks Schaub is the guy or he's loyal to a fault.

I really checked out when they refused to even consider Manning.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by joshua

we're probably talking past each other and it's partly my fault for not being clear. It's not that i want competition per se, it's that i want to see some indication that kubiak sees what the rest of us see--that schaub is a middling qb that it will be basically impossible to win with. However, he's done nothing to suggest that he has. Whether its a free agent, a draft pick, answering the phone when peyton freakin' manning calls, etc., everything he has done the last 3 years indicates he thinks schaub is the guy or he's loyal to a fault.

I really checked out when they refused to even consider manning.

+1 .

[Mike]

This was the second most miserable loss I felt at Reliant, (VY's OT run being #1) and I have not missed a home game. I have been a Schaub supporter but I am done...its over...same mistakes over and over. At that point in the game he has to take the sack....seriously...sick. Here are his cap #'s. He is our QB until 2014.

here is a salary cap link

overthecap.com