2013 Mocks and Needs

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

28 D.J. Fluker* OT Alabama 6' 6" 340
58 Jonathan Cooper OC UNC 6' 3" 295
90 Brad Madison DE Missouri 6' 4" 250
122 Craig Roh DE Michigan 6' 5" 269

I really hate it when guys who have no clue of our roster make picks for us. I do not see them going with an OC and two DE's in the first four picks.

My cherry picks:

28 Alex Okafor OLB Texas 6' 4.5" 260
58 Chase Thomas ILB Stanford 6' 4" 240
90 Rod Sweeting CB Georgia Tech 6' 0" 184
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Only if Barwin leaves in FA.

After this weekend, a little different take on the cherry pick:

28 Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6' 4" 320
58 Chase Thomas ILB Stanford 6' 4" 240
90 Wes Horton OLB USC 6' 5" 260
122 Chris McDonald OG Michigan State 6' 5" 295

It's more about the positions than the players at this point.

[Joe Joe]

1 William Gholston DE MSU
2 Desmond Trufant CB Washington
3 DT Jamarkus McFarland Okla
Mario Compensation Pick ILB Shayne Skov Stanford
4 DT Dave Kruger Utah

Basically following Paine's idea on picking positions more than players.

I think this draft the Texans may try to trade up in first round. There seem to be three potential 1st round NTs. Getting an impact 3-4 defensive end would be a nice consolation prize if the Texans can't get a NT.

One player at a position outside of need that intrigues me is QB Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech. I want to see another game or two with him. Looks to have a big time arm, good feet, great height, good play action, but he seemed very raw and seemed like release point may be a little low. If he drops low enough in draft, I could see the Texans pulling a Green Bay and drafting Schaub's successor.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joe Joe

1 William Gholston DE MSU
2 Desmond Trufant CB Washington
3 DT Jamarkus McFarland Okla
Mario Compensation Pick ILB Shayne Skov Stanford
4 DT Dave Kruger Utah

Basically following Paine's idea on picking positions more than players.

I think this draft the Texans may try to trade up in first round. There seem to be three potential 1st round NTs. Getting an impact 3-4 defensive end would be a nice consolation prize if the Texans can't get a NT.

One player at a position outside of need that intrigues me is QB Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech. I want to see another game or two with him. Looks to have a big time arm, good feet, great height, good play action, but he seemed very raw and seemed like release point may be a little low. If he drops low enough in draft, I could see the Texans pulling a Green Bay and drafting Schaub's successor.

We just extended Jamison so I doubt we go 1st round DE. NT seems a priority. CB, WR, TE, ILB, will depend on performance of guys already on our roster and may or may not be needs. RB and OLB could become needs based on what we do with the guys at those positions. OL is still potentially a future/immediate need at 3 positions.

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by barrett

We just extended Jamison so I doubt we go 1st round DE. NT seems a priority. CB, WR, TE, ILB, will depend on performance of guys already on our roster and may or may not be needs. RB and OLB could become needs based on what we do with the guys at those positions. OL is still potentially a future/immediate need at 3 positions.

I think Antonio Smith is a goner after seeing Schaub's contract. Gholston would give Jamison competition for start spot, but at worst provide solid depth with Crick.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joe Joe

I think Antonio Smith is a goner after seeing Schaub's contract. Gholston would give Jamison competition for start spot, but at worst provide solid depth with Crick.

I think Smith is probably gone too. I still think that the extension makes a round 1 DE a real longshot, especially when we already have one at the other DE spot and a mid round rookie they seem to like as depth already.

[painekiller]

I was reading today something that Rick Smith said, and it changed my thinking about the draft. They have extended Brown, Schaub and Jamison, and they had talked to Barwin. At this time according to Smith, Barwin is apart of the core guys they want to go forward with. Smith said if they can not sign him before FA then they could franchise him. At the OLB position that is "only" $9MM. So I am thinking right now that OLB is not the 1st pick.

Also if you guys are correct about them letting Smith go after the season, then Jamison is the current top rotational guy. With Crick added as the rotational guy.

I am thinking that the middle of the defense is the top need, that could be NT, ILB or S. I also think that Brooks and Jones will be the most likely starters at the guards next season.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Joe Joe

One player at a position outside of need that intrigues me is QB Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech. I want to see another game or two with him. Looks to have a big time arm, good feet, great height, good play action, but he seemed very raw and seemed like release point may be a little low. If he drops low enough in draft, I could see the Texans pulling a Green Bay and drafting Schaub's successor.

I agree, I want to see Thomas also, but I was not that impressed with his first game this season.

[painekiller]

30 Sean Porter OLB Texas A&M 6' 2" 230
60 Jonathan Cooper OC UNC 6' 3" 295
92 Jamarkus McFarland DT Oklahoma 6' 2" 296
124 Carson York OT Oregon 6' 5" 286

Porter's size does not fit our OLBs. They need to be larger in order to set the edge. Now if Porter can carry some more weight and play inside he might be a fit. Again I do not see the Texans going with another OC, I think Meyers and Jones have us set.

The last two picks might work.

[HPF Bob]

There's one site that lets you set the draft priorities but, unfortunately, they don't seem to update their ratings so you still don't wind up with a good mock draft.

The problem with many mock drafts is that they are done by people with only a cursory knowledge of each team so they don't really know (unless its obvious) what positions a team is most interested in.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

There's one site that lets you set the draft priorities but, unfortunately, they don't seem to update their ratings so you still don't wind up with a good mock draft.

The problem with many mock drafts is that they are done by people with only a cursory knowledge of each team so they don't really know (unless its obvious) what positions a team is most interested in.

are you talking about DraftTek.com?

They only have 100 players ranked right now, they say that will be increased soon.

I have never been able to figure out how to set the priorities, so I just look at the one they run.

[popanot]

If I had to pick a position of need right now for the Texans to use a #1 pick on, I'd hope they'd find a fast, aggressive, mean as hell ILB. OL would be my #2 and #3.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

30 Sean Porter OLB Texas A&M 6' 2" 230
60 Jonathan Cooper OC UNC 6' 3" 295
92 Jamarkus McFarland DT Oklahoma 6' 2" 296
124 Carson York OT Oregon 6' 5" 286

So taking into account some of the suggestions above how about this cherry pick:

30 Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6' 4" 320 can play the 5 tech or the NT
60 Chase Thomas ILB Stanford 6' 4" 240 smart, big inside guy
92 Sonny Vaccaro S Texas 6' 1" 215

then we will have a comp pick and so on.

I would be OK with trading down out of the 1st round to get extra picks.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by painekiller

So taking into account some of the suggestions above how about this cherry pick:

30 Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6' 4" 320 can play the 5 tech or the NT
60 Chase Thomas ILB Stanford 6' 4" 240 smart, big inside guy
92 Sonny Vaccaro S Texas 6' 1" 215

then we will have a comp pick and so on.

I would be OK with trading down out of the 1st round to get extra picks.

This makes entirely too much sense for it to ever actually happen

[painekiller]

31 Kawann Short DT Purdue 6' 3" 305
61 Chase Thomas ILB Stanford 6' 4" 240
93 Erik Highsmith WR UNC 6' 3" 175
125 Matt Scott QB Arizona 6' 3" 195

I could see the first three picks but not the 4th one. They just extended Schaub, and they have Yates and Keenum tied up for a few years also. Plus no one is going to touch Beck.

This will be a year in which I truly see the Texans going with a BPA approach. IMO the team needs: NG & ILB, all the other needs have yet to truly be worked out. The WR, OL, DBs are all works in progress. So it's hard to decide what we need.

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I agree, I want to see Thomas also, but I was not that impressed with his first game this season.

Watching him a little today. He doesn't seem to lead the receivers well. I love his mobility in the pocket,but I just don't know if he places ball well enough to be successful in the NFL.

[painekiller]

32 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
62 Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State 6' 6" 225
94 Zach Martin OT Notre Dame 6' 4" 280
126 Marcus Sales WR Syracuse 6' 0" 177
158 Dan Conroy K Michigan State 5' 10" 190

Wow, two WR a year after taking two WRs? Again they have no clue of our current roster. A QB in the 2nd and a K in the 5th? NO way this is even close. I did like where they have us picking.

My mock:
32 Xavier Rhodes* CB Florida State 6' 1" 209
62 Nico Johnson ILB Alabama 6' 3" 238
94 Shayne Skov ILB Stanford 6' 3" 242
126 Jordan Hill DT Penn State 6' 1" 297
158 *Joseph Randle RB Oklahoma State 6'0" 200

A CB to push Jackson and for depth, two ILB gives you instant depth and one should push the old man out of town, this is a deep year for ILBs, Hill low to the ground DT, and a RB if you want to let Tate go or are thinking of trading him at the draft.

BTW I would not be against a WR like Williams, but we don't need two WR in this next draft.

[Nconroe]

So, how is it we get the 32nd pick?

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

So, how is it we get the 32nd pick?

Probably traded down with the Patriots

But, seriously, two WRs and a PK is nuts however they knew us well enough to have us take a QB from the ACC...

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by painekiller

It's more about the positions than the players at this point.

It almost has to be that way. Texans are at a point where they can truly pick BPA and not worry about position but there are a few spots that may become weak points as the season rolls along.