2012 mocks

painekiller · #1 03-01-2012, 12:16 AM

My Post Combine Cherry Pick

26 Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech, 6' 5", 206. Size, Speed guy that will not have to be a #1 for a couple of years. He can block and is a team player. (Needs time to learn the WCO).

If Mario Leaves 58 Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State, 6' 3", 262. High motor guy who can be an excellent rotation guy at OLB.

If Mario Stays 58 Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame, 6' 2", 212. It's a bad year for safeties this year but this guy can play. Only Team Caption on the Irish this season.

89 Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati, 5' 10", 193. Would be the #3 RB and a return guy.

121 David Molk, OC, Michigan, 6' 2", 285. High motor guy, with excellent feet, gets to the 2nd level very well.

153 Derek Wolfe, DE, Cincinnati, 6' 5", 298. If he falls this far an excellent pick, I'm getting mixed reports on his placement. Another high motor guy.

What are your thoughts?

HPF Bob · #2 03-01-2012, 08:15 AM

Pead is someone who has impressed me the few times I saw Cincinnati play. Smallish guy but can he block at the next level and how good are his pass-catching skills? Is it worth spending a 3rd on a guy who won't see the field all that much, assuming he ranks behind Foster and Tate on the depth chart?

painekiller · #3 03-01-2012, 10:58 AM

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Pead is someone who has impressed me the few times I saw Cincinnati play. Smallish guy but can he block at the next level and how good are his pass-catching skills? Is it worth spending a 3rd on a guy who won't see the field all that much, assuming he ranks behind Foster and Tate on the depth chart?

I see Pead as insurance for one of the top two guys going down, and for being an answer for cutting ties with Jacoby, at a cheaper price then Ward. Plus special teams is a major part of keeping a #3,

nunusguy · #4 03-01-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by painekiller

My Post Combine Cherry Pick

26 Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech, 6' 5", 206. Size, Speed guy that will not have to be a #1 for a couple of years. He can block and is a team player. (Needs time to learn the WCO).

What are your thoughts?

Going with the WO-Warrior are you PK ?
The thing is I'm also really impressed by this guy since I watched him during the combine, however I keep reminding myself that his size/speed combo reminds me quite a bit of a recent Texans Draft pick that didn't work so well: Dorin Dickerson, who of course was only a 7th round pick.

painekiller · #5 03-01-2012, 11:03 AM

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Going with the WO-Warrior are you PK ?
The thing is I'm also really impressed by this guy since I watched him during the combine, however I keep reminding myself that his size/speed combo reminds me quite a bit of a recent Texans Draft pick that didn't work so well: Dorin Dickerson, who of course was only a 7th round pick.

When I watch the Texans draft, I see them go BPA for need, and at 26, this kid has to be right there. Now I agree he is raw, but as in the post above he allows you cut Jacoby and pick up a willing blocker with great top end speed.

I see the Texans going WR in the 1st no matter what, and I ask why not this guy? Imagine him across from AJ.

nunusguy · #6 03-01-2012, 01:35 PM

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When I watch the Texans draft, I see them go BPA for need, and at 26, this kid has to be right there. Now I agree he is raw, but as in the post above he allows you cut Jacoby and pick up a willing blocker with great top end speed.

I see the Texans going WR in the 1st no matter what, and I ask why not this guy? Imagine him across from AJ.

From Mario to JJ, Kubiak has a string (and a policy) of first-rounders starting from Day One, but do you really think this Hill guy would be up that assignment ?
And isn't this supposed to be an extremely deep Draft for WRs ? Well if so I can see them holding off until the second-round to get their receiver, especially if a really good edge-rusher or DBack that Wade covets is available to them in the first round.

painekiller · #7 03-01-2012, 04:08 PM

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From Mario to JJ, Kubiak has a string (and a policy) of first-rounders starting from Day One, but do you really think this Hill guy would be up that assignment ?
And isn't this supposed to be an extremely deep Draft for WRs ? Well if so I can see them holding off until the second-round to get their receiver, especially if a really good edge-rusher or DBack that Wade covets is available to them in the first round.

I have heard Kubiak say that this is the first season that they expect the number 1 pick to not start. They do not see any obvious holes in the starters, unless Myers leaves, which they do not expect.

Now if Mario leaves, I do see them looking at the BPA from the OLB or WR positions. Also there are some decent WR prospects available in the 2nd, same with the OLBs.

HPF Bob · #8 03-01-2012, 05:11 PM

For the first time, we need to think a round lower when assessing draft picks because we are so low in the drafting order. IOW, when you hear "third round projection", that is who we should look at in the second round, "fourth round projection" in the third round, etc. because most of the guys we think might be available in a certain round will probably be gone by the time we're on the clock. So, for example, the guys you think merit a third round grade should be the ones you consider with your second round pick along with the guys who have fallen out of earlier rounds. That way, when you're on the clock, you have a pool of guys to consider instead of cursing all the players already taken. Better to go through the draft pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed.

chuck · #9 03-01-2012, 07:13 PM

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Better to go through the draft pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed.

I don't know. As a general rule being bitterly disappointed has always worked pretty well for me.

painekiller · #10 03-01-2012, 07:48 PM

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For the first time, we need to think a round lower when assessing draft picks because we are so low in the drafting order. IOW, when you hear "third round projection", that is who we should look at in the second round, "fourth round projection" in the third round, etc. because most of the guys we think might be available in a certain round will probably be gone by the time we're on the clock. So, for example, the guys you think merit a third round grade should be the ones you consider with your second round pick along with the guys who have fallen out of earlier rounds. That way, when you're on the clock, you have a pool of guys to consider instead of cursing all the players already taken. Better to go through the draft pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed.

That pretty much sums up how I have approached this draft.

nunusguy · #11 03-02-2012, 08:38 AM

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Now if Mario leaves

My whole viewpoint of the Texans' Draft is premised on Mario's departure, isn't yours ?

painekiller · #12 03-03-2012, 12:57 AM

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My whole viewpoint of the Texans' Draft is premised on Mario's departure, isn't yours ?

No it's not. I think that it's likely to happen, but I also will not be shocked to see Mario back.

In the whole FA things going on I believe Foster and Meyer's mean more to the team, then Mario. I do not see Mario being worth the money he has been paid, and a rookie came in last year and did a serviceable job.

Now to be clear, I want Mario back and we are better with him than without him, but it comes down to allocation of resources and a team with enough weapons on offense and defense.