Possible Need at WR

barrett · #1 02-10-2011, 09:12 AM

Everybody could benefit from a Wes Welker. There is only one though. Good luck with finding another.

And there is nothing deceptive about our top 5 offense. Our scoring and redzone production were way up this year. If we got anything in the return game or defensively to give us field position, then we'd easily be top 5 in scoring as well.

Walter is extremely productive and very important to our run game. Football outsiders and every other advanced stat metric shows that he is very good in areas like target %, on target drops, etc... And those sites state up front that they don't take into account blocking which affects a player's true value.

So Walter is a guy who is very effective every time we use him and should be targeted more from every available stat, and yet never asks for the ball more and blocks hard on every play. Not sure what the question is even about. I'd love for anyone to name me 10 better #2 WRs. Or even 5 better.

Here are 3 of the better #2 WRs in the NFL, Walter and the two who went to the superbowl, Hines Ward and Donald Driver. Guess who's who.

59/755, 12.8, 5 TD, 35 FD
51/565, 11.1, 4 TD, 29 FD
51/621, 12.2, 5 TD, 33 FD

NBT · #2 02-10-2011, 04:29 PM

OK, so some of you think JJ & Walter weren't used correctly. Had them running the wrong routes for their particular skills. And some of you think the playcalling (Kubiak) was too predictable. I agree with part of what each of you said, but the bottom line is to get to the playoffs this year, no IFs, ANDs, or BUTs. Kubiak is not going anywhere, so better playcalling and route running to the individuals talents has to be the anwer.

Too many times last year, on 3rd down and long, Schaub could not find an open recevier. He ate the ball, ending a promising drive. Dreesen was not dependable in that situation, whereas OD has shown that he can be.

I think that after the first 3 picks in the Draft go for improving the defense, we should maybe take a receiver in the 4th round

barrett · #3 02-10-2011, 05:11 PM

JJ was awful on returns. Slaton was worse than awful. I could see us drafting a WR/Return man in the 6th or later, but I don't think anything higher is going to happen. Remember we still have Dickinson and Holliday from last year's draft who could not get playing time ahead of these guys. No reason to draft a WR, and no reason to sign one unless there it is to upgrade the return game.

And I agree that OD is another league from Dreesen. Dreesen has terrible hands and no speed. Dreesen had 36/518/4 last year. Daniels had better than that in 8 games in 2009. That is not 80% production. If Daniels is healthy he needs to be resigned. Our offense is different with him.

Or we could just start playing James Casey. I swear that guy must have dented Kubiak's car in the parking lot or something. He can't get on the field despite looking great every time he plays.

NBT · #4 02-13-2011, 09:09 PM

For someone who played in a bigtime conference at LSU, Holliday looked like a kid coming in right out of high school. I mean he seemed to be awestruck or something. And then he hurt his thumb and was put on the DL for the rest of the year. We never got much of a chance to see what Dickerson could do. It was almost the end of the season before he ever made the playing squad, and then I don't think he ever got in a game.

Nconroe · #5 02-14-2011, 11:38 AM

JJ and perhaps Slaton did much better on special teams returns the previous years.

So why did they drop off. maybe the guys blocking? or coaching special teams? or was it same return on everytime and other teams figured that out.

NBT · #6 02-14-2011, 05:46 PM

Yeah, year before last we were one of the best passing teams in the league, with good special teams. Last year we concentrated on the run game with the result being we had the best run attack, but the ST's went to pot, and the passing game was just so-so. If we can get all 3 phases going well, with an improved defense, no telling what we could do.

chuck · #7 02-14-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

If we can get all 3 phases going well, with an improved defense, no telling what we could do.

If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass a-hoppin'.

If we had a competent, non-idiot owner, a competent, non-idiot head coach, a competent general manager, a good special teams and a good defense and an improved passing game, why, we just might make the playoffs every decade or so.

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