Wade Phillips is the new DC

[chuck]

So let me get this straight, in order to show the fans that the team is prepared to act in order to repair the worst defense in recent history (and an offense that simply could not score in the first half) they are going to hire as Defensive Coordinator a 65 year old failure whose preferred scheme does not fit the current roster, at all?

This is nothing more than a cynical PR move to feed some red meat to the Don't Mess With Texas crowd. What utter bullshit. This franchise is a joke.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by chuck

So let me get this straight, in order to show the fans that the team is prepared to act in order to repair the worst defense in recent history (and an offense that simply could not score in the first half) they are going to hire as Defensive Coordinator a 65 year old failure whose preferred scheme does not fit the current roster, at all?

This is nothing more than a cynical PR move to feed some red meat to the Don't Mess With Texas crowd. What utter bullshit. This franchise is a joke.

So True.

A good Ol boy(McNair) hires a good Ol boy(Kubes) that hires another good Ol boy(Wade).....great plan.

When McNair said it was about having the 3rd best offense during my lunch, I almost spit up coke, wtf is he talking about......it's harder to say that he extended him three more years last year and he's not about to give that up!



And if we have all these players' coaches who's gonna jump on their ass when they screw up??

Wake me up when McNair's done with his wet dream...

[Nconroe]

here is a nice bio on Wade in case interested

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Phillips

[Roy P]

I am hoping these reports are greatly exagerated. Early speculation to sell newspapers. I really don't want Wade to come here. The mindset is to get somebody with DC experience instead of hiring a position coach. With other teams possibly replacing HC positions, then Rob Ryan or Mike Nolan could become available. Running a 3-4 sounds like a wonderful idea to me. Connor Barwin & Mark Anderson are athletic enough to play OLB. We just would need a NT. We've needed a NT since Seth Payne left to clog up the middle & he wasn't a 'typical' Nose. With Pitt & N.E. having Bye weeks, I'd be interviewing some LB coaches, Line Coaches, Secondary coaches; just to hear some ideas. Just sayin.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Running a 3-4 sounds like a wonderful idea to me. Connor Barwin & Mark Anderson are athletic enough to play OLB.

Man. Not only would any TE on any NFL roster torch an OLB tandem of Barwin and Mark Anderson, Demeco and Cushing are particularly unsuited to be ILBs in a 3-4. And I won't even bother telling you that Mario is a prototypical 4-3 DE and has no real place in a 3-4 because I know you already know that. There is literally no safety on the roster who can cover a Left Tackle and you want Barwin and Anderson at OLB? Wow. Peyton manning would redefine the word 'abuse.'

At least you're not echoing Wade's dad who said that he'd try Amobi at OLB.

Everywhere I turn it's the lunatics running the asylum.

Look, I'd be delighted to have a defense that looks like New England's, a hybrid that shifts (moving quickly I initially typed 'shits' - we already have a defense that does that...) and morphs unpredictably in response to down, distance, offensive personnel, etc. I wouldn't mind moving Mario around and showing different looks and confusing the hell out of QBs all over the league. The problem is relatively speaking Belichick is a Harvard PhD and the goons running the Texans are paste-eating, finger-painting Aggies. Actually, in certain instances this is literally true.

[HPF Bob]

It should be noted that Wade Phillips was a former HC in Denver (the one between Reeves and Shanahan) and this was likely around the time Kubiak began coaching with the Broncos, so there is already familiarity between the two.

That said, I still don't like the fact that neither one displays much toughness which is why their teams underachieve, particularly in clutch situations.

OTOH, reports out of SF are that the 49er players were "scared" of Singletary and didn't play well because they were too afraid of his ranting and screaming and became "tight". Singletary's famous coaching introduction where he dropped trou to show his players what he expected of them may not have been his only creative locker room motivator (don't know if he ever ate a worm like his Baylor mentor Grant Teaff did).

Antics aside, give me a coach with Singletary's fire. If players are scared of him, then dangit, they ought to be more motivated, not less. Cry babies.

[TheMatrix31]

Wade Phillips a failure? Yes, as head coach.

As a defensive coordinator? He's proven to be really, really good.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

It should be noted that Wade Phillips was a former HC in Denver (the one between Reeves and Shanahan) and this was likely around the time Kubiak began coaching with the Broncos, so there is already familiarity between the two.

That said, I still don't like the fact that neither one displays much toughness which is why their teams underachieve, particularly in clutch situations.

OTOH, reports out of SF are that the 49er players were "scared" of Singletary and didn't play well because they were too afraid of his ranting and screaming and became "tight". Singletary's famous coaching introduction where he dropped trou to show his players what he expected of them may not have been his only creative locker room motivator (don't know if he ever ate a worm like his Baylor mentor Grant Teaff did).

Antics aside, give me a coach with Singletary's fire. If players are scared of him, then dangit, they ought to be more motivated, not less. Cry babies.

Kubiak would have met Wade back in the 70's when Gary was the ball boy and Wade was the DL coach for the Oilers. The next time they crossed paths Gary was a backup QB and Wade was the DC in Denver back in 1989. Gary played in Denver through 1991 when he retired from playing to go into coaching.

They have not been on the same team since.

As for you guys bitching about position coaches, why don't we wait to see who they hire and also wait to see which players they acquire to install the new defense.

Sounds to me like they will be active in free agency, maybe not going after the huge names but going after solid vets that can play now.

Want to make a huge splash to the players? Trade away Mario and Cushing.

One last prediction I have, Pollard is not resigned

[coloradodude]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

That said, I still don't like the fact that neither one displays much toughness which is why their teams underachieve, particularly in clutch situations.

I've let some of you convince me of things I disagreed with over the years and now it's time to get tunnel vision.

We're gonna be just fine. We only need 3 to 10 players to fit the new 3-4 scheme...again. And yes, we should move Mario to ILB and force him to get involved in the run defense.


Seriously, somebody needs to give Mario about 5 seasons of film from the Buffalo Bills so he can watch and absorb Bruce Smith get after the QB from the 3-4 as an end.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Man. Not only would any TE on any NFL roster torch an OLB tandem of Barwin and Mark Anderson, Demeco and Cushing are particularly unsuited to be ILBs in a 3-4. And I won't even bother telling you that Mario is a prototypical 4-3 DE and has no real place in a 3-4 because I know you already know that. There is literally no safety on the roster who can cover a Left Tackle and you want Barwin and Anderson at OLB? Wow. Peyton manning would redefine the word 'abuse.'

At least you're not echoing Wade's dad who said that he'd try Amobi at OLB.

Everywhere I turn it's the lunatics running the asylum.

Look, I'd be delighted to have a defense that looks like New England's, a hybrid that shifts (moving quickly I initially typed 'shits' - we already have a defense that does that...) and morphs unpredictably in response to down, distance, offensive personnel, etc. I wouldn't mind moving Mario around and showing different looks and confusing the hell out of QBs all over the league. The problem is relatively speaking Belichick is a Harvard PhD and the goons running the Texans are paste-eating, finger-painting Aggies. Actually, in certain instances this is literally true.

If we can run a 34/43 hibrid, then I am all for it. Watch a New England game and they are almost never lined up in a straight 3-4. Especially on 3rd down. You can run a 3-4 but still line up Mario wide on passing downs. You can do pretty much anything you want with either defense and even more with a combination of the two. When cleveland stymied NE this year, they did it with 1 down lineman and an amoeba of other guys standing up near the LOS and then randomly rushing or dropping.

But a DC needs to get creative to do this. I have no idea whether Wade is capable of this or not. His cowboys (when they tried) ran a great but very traditional 3-4. Of course, they had a decade of assembling 3-4 personnell and Demarcus Ware on the field. There is little reason to morph out of the 3-4 when that's the case. I have heard on here that Wade has coached a 4-3 defense in the past. So maybe he can be that guy.

But if he is coming to run a 4-3 with our personnell I take a huge pass. Someone needs to get creative to win with this group. So why hire a guy and ask him to do what he's 2nd best at.

If he is coming to run a straight 3-4 I'll take another huge pass. We aren't suited for it as an every down defense. It decreases the value of Mario and Demeco in a big way. I actually think Cushing may flourish as a standing rush OLB, and smith will fit well, but the rest of the front 7 is ill used in that situation.

I hope our guys are thinking these same things, but I fear Bob McNair is completely misreading his fan base and thinking he can sell good old days and Texas pride in a Wade Phillips package.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by chuck

Man. Not only would any TE on any NFL roster torch an OLB tandem of Barwin and Mark Anderson, Demeco and Cushing are particularly unsuited to be ILBs in a 3-4. And I won't even bother telling you that Mario is a prototypical 4-3 DE and has no real place in a 3-4 because I know you already know that. There is literally no safety on the roster who can cover a Left Tackle and you want Barwin and Anderson at OLB? Wow. Peyton manning would redefine the word 'abuse.'

At least you're not echoing Wade's dad who said that he'd try Amobi at OLB.

Everywhere I turn it's the lunatics running the asylum.

Look, I'd be delighted to have a defense that looks like New England's, a hybrid that shifts (moving quickly I initially typed 'shits' - we already have a defense that does that...) and morphs unpredictably in response to down, distance, offensive personnel, etc. I wouldn't mind moving Mario around and showing different looks and confusing the hell out of QBs all over the league. The problem is relatively speaking Belichick is a Harvard PhD and the goons running the Texans are paste-eating, finger-painting Aggies. Actually, in certain instances this is literally true.

Harsh words... I wish I agreed with less of them.