2011?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by NBT

It does seem to be that way,.......and also he appears to be too loyal to his coaches as well as some players. He leans on coaches and players he is familiar with, like coaches he has been around in SF and Denver, as well as a lot of undrafted Colorado State players. IF he stays he must give up his influence on who Rick Smith would like to get when it comes to the defense. That is why I am for a President of operations person like a Parcells, or someone similar.

I thought about starting a thread on hiring Parcells to run the team, but he would not like any of our current players. IMO he would fire everybody from Rick Smith down to the practice squad players.

I like what he does to instill winning on a team, but he has not taken anyone to the Super Bowl in a long time. So has he lost his edge?

I'm leaning in favor of hiring a real GM and letting him decide who becomes the next HC like most team do it, not letting the HC hire the GM.

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They have us picking at 11.

11 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 6' 1" 285
43 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
75 Titus Young WR Boise State 5' 11" 170
107 Zach Hurd OG Connecticut 6' 7" 315
139 Doyle Miller CB Nevada 5' 11" 185
171 Archie Donald ILB Toledo 6' 2" 235
203 Pierre Allen DE Nebraska 6' 5" 265

I could live with this draft.

my attempt

11 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 6' 1" 285
43 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
75 Sione Fua DT Stanford 6' 2" 307
107 Andy Dalton QB TCU 6' 3" 215
139 Eric Hagg S Nebraska 6' 2" 205
171 Niles Paul WR Nebraska 6' 1" 215
203 Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175

[Blitzwood]

What I come up with if we were switching to 3-4


11. Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, UNC
43. Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB, Pitt
75. Jaiquawn Jarrett, FS, Temple
107. James Carpenter, OT, Alabama
139. Eric Hagg, SS, Nebraska
171. Adrian Moten, LB, Maryland
203. Alex Henery, K, Nebraska

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

What I come up with if we were switching to 3-4


11. Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, UNC
43. Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB, Pitt
75. Jaiquawn Jarrett, FS, Temple
107. James Carpenter, OT, Alabama
139. Eric Hagg, SS, Nebraska
171. Adrian Moten, LB, Maryland
203. Alex Henery, K, Nebraska

If we go to a 3-4 we are going to need more beef in the middle of the defensive line. And I do not see you addressing that, I know we could try to go after a NT in FA. Also Quinn is a high risk pick and size wise more a 4-3 DE IMO than a 3-4 DE. I like 300+ lbs for my 3-4 DE. I would trade Mario Williams, but not sure you will get much with him being in a rehab situation, so I will get #32 from the Pats because I would take Miller at our #11, and this mock has him at 32.

My attempt at a 3-4 draft

11 Stephen Paea DE/NT Oregon State 6' 1" 302
32 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 6' 3" 240
43 Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson 6' 4" 310
75 Sione Fua NT Stanford 6' 2" 307
107 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
139 Eric Hagg S Nebraska 6' 2" 205
171 Quan Sturdivant ILB UNC 6' 2" 230
203 Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175

My 3-4 defense of the future is:
DE Paea NT Fua DE Jenkins
OLBs Miller & Barwin/Cushing ILBs Ryans/Sturdivant Sharpton/Cushing
CBs Jackson Quin Safeties Keo Hagg

[TexanJedi]

Originally Posted by painekiller

If we go to a 3-4 we are going to need more beef in the middle of the defensive line. And I do not see you addressing that, I know we could try to go after a NT in FA. Also Quinn is a high risk pick and size wise more a 4-3 DE IMO than a 3-4 DE. I like 300+ lbs for my 3-4 DE. I would trade Mario Williams, but not sure you will get much with him being in a rehab situation, so I will get #32 from the Pats because I would take Miller at our #11, and this mock has him at 32.


My 3-4 defense of the future is:
DE Paea NT Fua DE Jenkins
OLBs Miller & Barwin/Cushing ILBs Ryans/Sturdivant Sharpton/Cushing
CBs Jackson Quin Safeties Keo Hagg

This is my worst fear about converting to the 3-4. The Mario Factor is the key, can he play in the 3-4 and excel, and if not they would probably not trade him for a year after trying to answer that question. At that point his value would be diminished. In the above scenario the Patriots would be lauded as geniuses, and rightfully so, and the Texans would look like morons. And I don't think relying on two rookies safties is the way to go either.

I just think we can build a good (4-3) defense under new coaching/regime just fine with some of the personnel we already have, namely Mario. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is the thing that keeps me from the Cowher or Bust bandwagon.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by TexanJedi

This is my worst fear about converting to the 3-4. The Mario Factor is the key, can he play in the 3-4 and excel, and if not they would probably not trade him for a year after trying to answer that question. At that point his value would be diminished. In the above scenario the Patriots would be lauded as geniuses, and rightfully so, and the Texans would look like morons. And I don't think relying on two rookies safties is the way to go either.

I just think we can build a good (4-3) defense under new coaching/regime just fine with some of the personnel we already have, namely Mario. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is the thing that keeps me from the Cowher or Bust bandwagon.

I did not say that this group was the starters in 2011, but they should be solid starters by 2013. Also I am not on the Cowher or bust band wagon, I was simply responding to another posters 3-4 mock. My original cherry pick was for a 4-3. In my original cherry I went with two DTs and 2 safeties, but I do not think a guy should play until he has earned the playing time, one of my complaints against Kubiak.

I currently believe Kubiak is coming back next year with a new defensive coordinator. Hopefully someone like John Fox or Marvin Lewis. But a former HC is unlikely and I and the fans will be underwhelmed by the move.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by painekiller

If we go to a 3-4 we are going to need more beef in the middle of the defensive line. And I do not see you addressing that, I know we could try to go after a NT in FA. Also Quinn is a high risk pick and size wise more a 4-3 DE IMO than a 3-4 DE. I like 300+ lbs for my 3-4 DE. I would trade Mario Williams, but not sure you will get much with him being in a rehab situation, so I will get #32 from the Pats because I would take Miller at our #11, and this mock has him at 32.

My attempt at a 3-4 draft

11 Stephen Paea DE/NT Oregon State 6' 1" 302
32 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 6' 3" 240
43 Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson 6' 4" 310
75 Sione Fua NT Stanford 6' 2" 307
107 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
139 Eric Hagg S Nebraska 6' 2" 205
171 Quan Sturdivant ILB UNC 6' 2" 230
203 Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175

My 3-4 defense of the future is:
DE Paea NT Fua DE Jenkins
OLBs Miller & Barwin/Cushing ILBs Ryans/Sturdivant Sharpton/Cushing
CBs Jackson Quin Safeties Keo Hagg

What'd you say 'bout my draft??? J/k.

Yea, I didn't address the NT position because I think Lewis, our recently signed DT is capable. I believe Quinn is very capable of being an OLB in a 3-4. He bounced between a 4-3 and 3-4 some at UNC.

I think Paea is a harder sell in a 3-4. Fua, IMO, is a little undersized for the NT.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

What'd you say 'bout my draft??? J/k.

Yea, I didn't address the NT position because I think Lewis, our recently signed DT is capable. I believe Quinn is very capable of being an OLB in a 3-4. He bounced between a 4-3 and 3-4 some at UNC.

I think Paea is a harder sell in a 3-4. Fua, IMO, is a little undersized for the NT.

Seth Payne was smaller than Fua, so I'm hoping he can become a force in the middle. As for Paea he is a penetrator and that is what I want in my 3-4, that is the way that Wade Phillips runs the 3-4.