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Old 11-21-2010, 06:48 PM
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I like the idea of having Harbaugh as the HC myself. But you gotta know that
Harbaugh would insist on dumping Schaub and drafting his Stanford QB if he could convince him to come out for the 2011 Draft, assuming we'll have a
Draft next year.
How do we have anything close to the 1st pick of the draft? Without it Luck is going elsewhere.
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:29 AM
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Schottenheimer for HC

Wade Phillips for DC....and yes, a modified 3-4 with existing personnel.
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:14 AM
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Wade may not want to go back into coaching for awhile. He has to be fairly burned out. But he would be a candidate for DC in my book.
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Old 11-22-2010, 01:20 PM
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I have a list in a thread in the Other 31 Teams section
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I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks.
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:42 PM
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Its a long shot, but in all honesty, I think Kubiak getting shit canned is a long shot, but keep an eye on the Titan situation. I can see a pissing contest brewing with the VY/Fisher/Adams circus......

I for one sure wouldn't mind seeing Fisher on the sidelines in Houston again.
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:50 PM
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I think Fisher is a good coach, but I've come to think of him as the enemy. Of course it is just for entertainment, so why not.
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:56 PM
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I think Fisher ends up the next coach in Dallas. Going from one meddling owner to another. We can still think of him as the enemy.
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:50 PM
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Its a long shot, but in all honesty, I think Kubiak getting shit canned is a long shot, but keep an eye on the Titan situation. I can see a pissing contest brewing with the VY/Fisher/Adams circus......

I for one sure wouldn't mind seeing Fisher on the sidelines in Houston again.
I'm not interested in trading in perpetual mediocrity for perpetual above-averageness.

The guy has had his job since 1994 and has won 5 playoff games. And his last playoff win was 2003. So that is 6 going on 7 years without a playoff win. That means Wade Phillips and Brad Childress have won more playoff games in the last 7 years then Fisher.

I'll pass.
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Old 11-22-2010, 11:53 PM
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Just in case you were wondering....these teams have defenses that I'm really enamored with and looking to poach coaches off their rosters...

Pittsburgh
Green Bay
New York Jets
Baltimore
Cleveland
Miami
San Diego
Kansas City

These teams consistently hold offenses to less than their average scoring output. That would be an answered prayer. I have the Texans defense only ahead of the Bills, Broncos, and Cardinals. I'm curious if the Broncos are second guessing allowing Mike Nolan to go to Miami.
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I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks.
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:03 AM
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http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coac...0-dfbe56cdb54f

Brad Smith is a college QB who averages 28 yards per kick return. Ben Kotwica is from West Point, but I'm not going to let that cloud my judgment. Hopefully he has learned a lot from Special Teams guru Mike Westhoff.

Ben Kotwica was promoted to assistant special teams coach after two seasons as a quality control coach on defense and special teams.

◊ Joined the Jets after two seasons as the defensive coordinator at the U.S. Military Academy Preparatory School, in Monmouth, NJ.
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:08 AM
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The more I read on this the more it seems that Bud Adams is siding with VY, which could/should mean that Fisher will want out of Tennessee.

If Kubiak is fired also look for Rick Smith to go, if that is the case then we need a real GM.

IMO I would look at Floyd Reese, former GM of the Oilers/Titans and current Senior Football Advisor for the Patriots. He was hired to replace Scott Pioli.

Floyd was a position coach and scout. He is well respected and he built a Super Bowl Team for the miser Bud Adams.

Add the fact that Floyd and Fisher have worked together and their connections to Houston makes this a nice fit.

GM Floyd Reese

HC Jeff Fisher

OC Rick Dennison
Leave the rest of the offensive coaches alone

DC Chuck Cecil
AHC/LBs Mike Singletary
Secondary Marcus Robertson
Ast Secondary CBs Cris Dishman
DL Jason Fisk
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:56 AM
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I can only guess that fond Oilers memories have clouded your memory on Fisher. The guy has had his job for 17 years without a superbowl win. In fact only 5 playoff wins that entire time. And none since 2003.

Is 6 playoff appearances in 17 years really what we aspire to? I know it would be an improvement on what we have had, but for me it really is superbowl or bust.

If we are going to hire a re-tread coach why not hire one with a superbowl win.

Or go with a guy who is fresh.

To me it is either Cowher, Dungy (if we have a miracle up our sleeves), Harbaugh if we want to roll the dice and try for a guy who may be great, or the top defensive assistant who can compliment our offense the way Dungy/Gruden came into teams who already had one side of the ball figured out.

But if you told me the Texans weren't going to win a superbowl in the next 17 years but they would make the playoffs 5 times, I wouldn't take it.
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Old 11-23-2010, 10:06 AM
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In defense of Fisher, he has had to do all of that with Bud Adams as the owner. I suspect he could do a lot more with a guy like Bob McNair making it possible.

In addition, Fisher is definitely a defensive coach with defensive coach's mentality. And what exactly do the Texans lack? 1) a defense and 2) toughness. Fisher would insist we had both. Plus we have talent on our front seven but we still aren't able to stop teams. I've never seen a Fisher team who wouldn't sell out to stop an opponent.

I'd move him to the front of my candidate list if he became available.
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:30 PM
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Add the fact that Floyd and Fisher have worked together and their connections to Houston makes this a nice fit.
Reese and Fisher didn't part ways on the best of terms; the story was that Fisher won a power struggle. Reese's wife described the situation as more of a backstabbing than a battle. I'd have interest in both of those guys, but it doesn't look like the combination would work.

Like Bob said, Fisher would bring many of the qualities that the current staff lacks. He's gotten a lot out of the talent he's had (and the organization he's worked for) and he generally hires quality assistants -- Gregg Williams, Jim Schwartz, Norm Chow, Mike Muchak, Jim Washburn (not a big name but consistently makes productive DLs out of the likes of Jason Babin), etc.

I haven't looked closely back at Reese's track record but I remember it being pretty solid with more hits than misses. The fact that he's been working for the Patriots boosts his stock in my eyes.
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:51 PM
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Reese and Fisher didn't part ways on the best of terms; the story was that Fisher won a power struggle. Reese's wife described the situation as more of a backstabbing than a battle. I'd have interest in both of those guys, but it doesn't look like the combination would work.
I was not aware of the falling out between the two men. I thought it had to do with Reese not wanting the VY pick and Bud forcing that on him and the team.

Your version seems to have much better sources.

So then bring in Reese and let him hire the HC, like most great organizations do. They let the GM be the boss.

If you are not going to go with a guy like Reese, then throw money at Bill Parcells.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:24 PM
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I thought it had to do with Reese not wanting the VY pick and Bud forcing that on him and the team.
The story I heard about that draft was that Reese wanted Cutler, Fisher and Chow wanted Lienart, but Bud wanted VY. Who knows, maybe that did play into Bud's eventual decision to get rid off Reese.

If Bud backs VY over Fisher, and he's given that indication so far, I bet that he just doesn't can Fisher, especially if he thinks Houston is interested. He's going to try to milk compensation out of the situation, like the Raiders got for Gruden and the Jets got for Belichick and later Herman Edwards.
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Old 12-29-2010, 05:43 PM
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The more I read on this the more it seems that Bud Adams is siding with VY, which could/should mean that Fisher will want out of Tennessee.

If Kubiak is fired also look for Rick Smith to go, if that is the case then we need a real GM.

IMO I would look at Floyd Reese, former GM of the Oilers/Titans and current Senior Football Advisor for the Patriots. He was hired to replace Scott Pioli.

Floyd was a position coach and scout. He is well respected and he built a Super Bowl Team for the miser Bud Adams.

Add the fact that Floyd and Fisher have worked together and their connections to Houston makes this a nice fit.

GM Floyd Reese

HC Jeff Fisher

OC Rick Dennison
Leave the rest of the offensive coaches alone

DC Chuck Cecil
AHC/LBs Mike Singletary
Secondary Marcus Robertson
Ast Secondary CBs Cris Dishman
DL Jason Fisk
I respect Floyd Reese, but wasn't a guy named Diamond the true architect of the Tack's SB year? Reese was just his assistant. He is just a frontman for the real guru of the Patriots, Bill Bellicek.
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Old 12-29-2010, 10:47 PM
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I respect Floyd Reese, but wasn't a guy named Diamond the true architect of the Tack's SB year? Reese was just his assistant. He is just a frontman for the real guru of the Patriots, Bill Bellicek.
Jeff Diamond was President and Chief Operating Officer while Reese was Executive VP and GM (with the Director of Football Operations title added the next year). It's hard to say who really did what but based on the titles my guess is that Reese did the hands-on personnel work while Diamond oversaw all aspects of the team, including both football and business matters. FWIW, the Titans' president before and after Diamond was Bud himself.

Belichick is clearly calling the shots for the Patriots but I'd consider having worked in that system to be a big plus for Reese as a GM candidate. Former Patriot front office guys like Scott Pioli and Thomas Dimitroff have had more success than former Patriot assistant coaches.
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