Official Texans vs. Giants Game Thread, 10/10/2010

painekiller · #1 10-10-2010, 03:36 PM

We have been outcoached again. That was the worse game plan I have seen since the Cowboys game.

chuck · #2 10-10-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller

We have been outcoached again. That was the worse game plan I have seen since the Cowboys game.

Odd. Not a month ago you were lecturing us rubes who know nothing about football who had the temerity to object to the end-around. You were sternly telling us that the Texans have a 'well designed offense.'

What do you say to that now?

I was right all along. This is a 6-10 team. They might as well lock out the players next year becaue we're not seeing any professional football anyway.

Big Texas · #3 10-10-2010, 04:03 PM

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I was right all along. This is a 6-10 team. They might as well lock out the players next year becaue we're not seeing any professional football anyway.

As much as I hate to admit to this, you could definitely be right. Unless Kubiak learns to adjust, teams will quickly catch on to our elementary offense...

Teams have already began to counter our short passing game. I hope they don't take today's tape as a lesson on how to stop Foster...

barrett · #4 10-10-2010, 04:30 PM

Chuck, I say 6-10 is a huge overreaction. It puzzles me how much you seem to revel in a Texans defeat. Since I didn't live in Houston during the oilers days (was reborn a Texans fan from the first day of the franchise here), I will assume it is a coping mechanism that only the luv' ya blue guys can understand.

But either way I reiterate what I said after last season. NFL football teams will take on the personality and tenacity of either the QB or the Head Coach and one of those guys better be a winner and a dominant personality. The head coach can be a brains guy with the Xs and Os if the QB is a follow me guy. Or vice versa. But how do you win big when there is no dominant personality. Football is the most emotional sport around and we have nobody that sets the pace. Either QB or Coach has to move on or we never win a superbowl.

nunusguy · #5 10-10-2010, 04:44 PM

Last week was the first time the teams been 3-1 and people wanted Kubiak to run for Prez, this week they want to fire him. Lets see what happens next week before the bye: we can end up .500 or be 4-2 for the first time with people wanting Kubiak to be Prez again.
But here's what really puzzles me ? How come the Texans are at their worst when they come home to play after a big road win ? Seems all the momentum and psychology and confidance should be with them ?

Big Texas · #6 10-10-2010, 04:56 PM

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Last week was the first time the teams been 3-1 and people wanted Kubiak to run for Prez, this week they want to fire him. Lets see what happens next week before the bye: we can end up .500 or be 4-2 for the first time with people wanting Kubiak to be Prez again.
But here's what really puzzles me ? How come the Texans are at their worst when they come home to play after a big road win ? Seems all the momentum and psychology and confidance should be with them ?

Who has been praising Kubiak throughout our brief win streak?

Never me. If anything the buzz around the league has been the emergence of Arian Foster. I don't recall anyone, of importance, praising Houston's dynamic playcalling. Like I have been saying, I think we have the talent, it is just the fact that Kubiak gets outcoached pretty frequently...

Us beating Indy week 1 was not some miraculous chess match between coaches. It was Arian Foster running wild. Same for the Raider game. Talent has us in the position we are in now, not some elite coaching staff...

I am not of the belief that Kubiak cannot get it together. But he has not done it so far.

Fonz the Boss · #7 10-10-2010, 05:03 PM

I dont like losing but at least they are not conference games or division games. We have a chance to go 4-2 next week against the Chiefs. Besides we havent even played the Jags or Titans so winning the division is not an impossible thing. Even if we split against the Jags and Titans we will still be in a position to win the division. We gotta take care of our non divisional AFC opponents and we will be alright. Also, the problem is not with the offensive scheme. Its execution. The Giants' Dline executed very well today and our Oline didnt. I dont even have to talk about or defense's execution.

HPF Bob · #8 10-10-2010, 05:17 PM

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I dont like losing but at least they are not conference games or division games. We have a chance to go 4-2 next week against the Chiefs. Besides we havent even played the Jags or Titans so winning the division is not an impossible thing. Even if we split against the Jags and Titans we will still be in a position to win the division. We gotta take care of our non divisional AFC opponents and we will be alright.

Excellent point. We technically still lead the division and are undefeated in the conference. If we can get AJ/JJ healthy again, I'm not worried about the offense.

The defense, however, has some major issues that need to be addressed. I love Pollard in the secondary but he's the only guy who carries his weight. Right now, Kareem Jackson might as well wear a flashing neon hot pink jersey because the opponents are finding him on every pass play. Kubiak has to decide whether it is better to preserve the season or preserve their top rookie's confidence.

Big Texas · #9 10-10-2010, 05:17 PM

Some think it is scheme, others think it is execution. Truth is we will never know. However, look at it this way...If you were the coordinator and your team was just sucking or missing wide open possibilities, wouldn't you be kind of upset? Wouldn't it show?

It is very clear when someone misses an assignment or blows a major opportunity. Kubiak will get in their face. However,Kubiak showed little to no emotion. IMO because there was nothing there. How can you get mad at the Oline when the Dline is jumping to the zone before they can even get outta their stance. Teams are over anticipating our play calling...

Kubiak needs to be creative when teams have figured him out...

HPF Bob · #10 10-10-2010, 05:09 PM

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But either way I reiterate what I said after last season. NFL football teams will take on the personality and tenacity of either the QB or the Head Coach and one of those guys better be a winner and a dominant personality. The head coach can be a brains guy with the Xs and Os if the QB is a follow me guy. Or vice versa. But how do you win big when there is no dominant personality. Football is the most emotional sport around and we have nobody that sets the pace. Either QB or Coach has to move on or we never win a superbowl.

It's an interesting point I haven't heard before. But is it true?

Is it true of Belichick/Brady?
Was it true of Manning/Dungy?

There are fiery dominant guys who have won big, no doubt. Just not sure I want to accept the premise.

barrett · #11 10-10-2010, 05:37 PM

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It's an interesting point I haven't heard before. But is it true?

Is it true of Belichick/Brady?
Was it true of Manning/Dungy?

There are fiery dominant guys who have won big, no doubt. Just not sure I want to accept the premise.

I think I misled you. I am not saying you need a yeller or a fiery guy. You need a natural leader that commands a room. A presence that guys follow regardless of the circumstances. Most superbowl teams have that guy at both QB and Head Coach. All 4 of the guys you mentioned are unquestioned leaders of men. Sean Payton and Drew Brees were those guys last year. Brees was such a leader that even when he did the retarded pregame ritual, he was actually taken serious by grown men. Players don't want to disappoint those guys as teammates and coaches. They respect/fear/admire them too much.

I don't get the feeling that guys would run through walls for Kubiak. He is likable, smart, and hard-working. A solid coach. But he doesn't seem to have the untouchable self confidence or borderline ego that great head coaches have.

And Schaub is like the player version of Kubiak. Smart, hard working, talented enough, well prepared. But again, he gets rattled. Not many QBs who can be rattled win superbowls (Eli Manning is the only one I can think of and that was more of a "screw Tiki Barber" thing).

I just think we have some good, professional guys. And we need somebody who guys will follow. (This is also why the most talented team in football fails to get in done every year up in Dallas).

chuck · #12 10-11-2010, 10:39 AM

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Chuck, I say 6-10 is a huge overreaction. It puzzles me how much you seem to revel in a Texans defeat. Since I didn't live in Houston during the oilers days (was reborn a Texans fan from the first day of the franchise here), I will assume it is a coping mechanism that only the luv' ya blue guys can understand.

Sure, it's an overreaction in a way but 6-10 is also a real possibility. My schizophrenia surely does have its roots in the Oilers. I pained through every Pittsburgh loss in the Bum days but it's impossible to explain what a Buffalo game or especially the KC game the next year will do to an unstable fan's already fragile psyche.

But I'm also reacting to what I see on the field. I have no faith at all in this organization. I have no faith in the staff's ability to work around the team's shortcomings and to solve other teams' attempts to exploit them. And the shortcomings, especially on defense, are horrifying. This is the worst secondary the Texans have ever fielded in the history of the franchise, both in terms of personnel and in terms of performance. And that would be less of a problem if the defensive line weren't so totally useless at pressuring the quarterback.

And the schedule - unless the team starts playing a lot better somehow I just don't see many wins on that schedule.

NBT · #13 10-11-2010, 01:53 PM

Bad as I hate to agree with Chuck on anything, he certainly has it right about the Oiler years. I lived through those up and down years just like Chuck did. So to see this up one day and down the next team, is just too much to take. What really hurts is the Titans won their games with the Giants and Dallas, while we looked like warmed over crap.

HPF Bob · #14 10-11-2010, 04:24 PM

But then the Titans also lost two home games (Broncos and Steelers w/no Ben) so they are just as up and down as we are.

chuck · #15 10-11-2010, 04:28 PM

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Bad as I hate to agree with Chuck on anything, he certainly has it right about the Oiler years.

Oh, I don't know that we truly disagree all that terribly often, we just enjoy antagonizing each other. I thought that's what the internet was for.

painekiller · #16 10-10-2010, 05:13 PM

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Odd. Not a month ago you were lecturing us rubes who know nothing about football who had the temerity to object to the end-around. You were sternly telling us that the Texans have a 'well designed offense.'

What do you say to that now?

I was right all along. This is a 6-10 team. They might as well lock out the players next year becaue we're not seeing any professional football anyway.

If you go back and look at my preseason prediction I said 6-10 also. Having a well designed offense is useless with a bad game plan. The Texans have been flat for 3 weeks on offense, and they have had some really bad defensive game plans.

That has nothing to do with the design of the offense.