How will you judge the defense?

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by edo783

I doubt Mario gets 14 again. I think he kind of snuck up on some folks last year and they will pay a great deal of attention to him this year.. I do think he will be in the 11-12 range. I see Amoby getting in the 6-8 range. TJ should be in the 4-6 range. Okam will MAYBE get 1-2. Weaver should be in the 4-6 range and Colvin should be in the 6-8 range. That would give us a range from 32-42 sacks. Right about where we should be. Add in a few from LBs and a DB or two and that would be a VERY good season. Will it happen...... I doubt it as things are seldom that easy to define and something will happen to at least one of those guys to prevent them from being that effective.

great deal of attention? jeez, i remember mario getting quite a few double teams...

i think you're drastically overrating weaver. i know i'm biased about him but he isn't that good.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by KJ3

i think you're drastically overrating weaver. i know i'm biased about him but he isn't that good.

Weaver is not a pass rusher #1, the plan is for him to off the field on passing downs #2, and lastly at 29 you expect a new career high in sacks. Edo, I hope your team figure is correct but as for Weaver, i don't think you are very close.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by KJ3

i think you're drastically overrating weaver. .

Without Mario on the other side you are absolutely correct. I see him getting most/all of his production from the other team making the QB move away from Mario and at times the QB just running for his life from him. A bit like flushing deer where the ones that do the driving don't get many shots, but the ones that get them driven to them get some easy pickings. Basically Weaver gets what falls off of Mario's plate.

[KJ3]

weaver hasn't had more than 1 sack in several years, two of which included mario on the other side. so maybe mario is getting what falls off of weaver's plate? because weaver sure has fallen off....

[edo783]

Originally Posted by KJ3

weaver hasn't had more than 1 sack in several years, two of which included mario on the other side. so maybe mario is getting what falls off of weaver's plate? because weaver sure has fallen off....

All of that is true. However, he has been injured for some time and if IIRC, before injury he picked up a few sacks. Now, having said that, there is no way he is a sack machine. It's more of a fall into slop and come up smelling good type of thing. Pure and simple, he is a 3-4 DE and we switched to the 4-3 right after picking him up. He has not been the same player he is/was in a 3-4. To slow to be a good 4-3 DE and too light/strong to be a good 4-3 DT. If we had stayed with the 3-4 I suspect he would be thought a lot better of. Not a bad player, just the wrong system for him. It was our fault, not his for taking him and switching systems.

[Nconroe]

well, I'm hoping Weaver has him a bounce back year , over injuries, more mature players around him, maybe a better system. And is LDE mostly assigned to run stop, consume blockers, rather than sack anyways? I do hope overall the DL and LBs can come up with more sacks and more pressure quicker than previous years.

I'm wondering how many DB's we'll keep and what mix of current CB and Safety that will be? Will we start bumping the WRs on the line or keep playing way back? Which cover scheme they will end up going with?

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

well, I'm hoping Weaver has him a bounce back year , over injuries, more mature players around him, maybe a better system. And is LDE mostly assigned to run stop, consume blockers, rather than sack anyways? I do hope overall the DL and LBs can come up with more sacks and more pressure quicker than previous years.

I'm wondering how many DB's we'll keep and what mix of current CB and Safety that will be? Will we start bumping the WRs on the line or keep playing way back? Which cover scheme they will end up going with?

Weaver does play more of the run stopping end position. On passing downs it's no big deal because he will either move inside or go to the bench and Colvin/Thompson will be in there.

I think the safeties will be interesting. The pub last year was that Earl was poised for a big year. the Brandon's are going to be fighting for spots...throw the rook in and it should be a pretty fierce competiton.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by edo783

It was our fault, not his for taking him and switching systems.

okay, but if he's that much better in the 3/4 we should trade him and get something for him because, all the reasons you gave aside, he doesn't play very well for us. totally replaceable in fact.

Originally Posted by Nconroe

well, I'm hoping Weaver has him a bounce back year , over injuries, more mature players around him, maybe a better system. And is LDE mostly assigned to run stop, consume blockers, rather than sack anyways? I do hope overall the DL and LBs can come up with more sacks and more pressure quicker than previous years.

i always thought that weaver (lining up across from the opposing LT) was in the spot generally counted on for sacks. reason being that LT are generally better pass blockers than run blockers. mario usually being against the RT i always just figured that was a good spot for him because he is a good run defender on top of his pass rushing. i could be totally wrong though.

of course i would love to see more sacks but more pressure and getting the qb rattled would be great.

Originally Posted by papabear

I think the safeties will be interesting. The pub last year was that Earl was poised for a big year. the Brandon's are going to be fighting for spots...throw the rook in and it should be a pretty fierce competiton.

i've never had a grasp on earl. he never really stuck out to me pre-injury and it's not like i can just go ask him how good he is so...i don't know what to expect. i do think c.c. brown is about to be moved down the charts a spot or two though. i wonder how long of a leash will demps gets? his play seemed pretty inspired last year so we'll see if he's really that good/intense on the field or if it was a fluke.