Trade for Haynesworth?

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

So, you mean we can spend a ton of money on a selfish jerk that will upset the salary scale for our top defenders, take plays off and act as a clubhouse cancer to boot? Sign me up!

I'd rather have Richard Seymour.

I don't want him either. But, I think the point is, he wouldn't hurt the cap because we wouldn't be responsible for any of his signing bonus money. That all is escalated to the Redskins 2010 cap (if there was one). We would only be responsible for the yearly base salaries. So, in theory, we could cut him at any point without there being a cap hit.

[NBT]

NOPE. Haynesworth only puts out when it is his contract year, otherwise he could care less.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

But, I think the point is, he wouldn't hurt the cap because we wouldn't be responsible for any of his signing bonus money. That all is escalated to the Redskins 2010 cap (if there was one). We would only be responsible for the yearly base salaries. So, in theory, we could cut him at any point without there being a cap hit.

If this is accurate, I'd have to give him a long hard look. Maybe a third rounder in 2011, which could be a compensatory pick and wouldn't cost us anything in essence. The real question is "do we want him in our locker room"?

If he checked out as a decent guy, I'd take him.

[cland]

I found this after my post, but he sees it the same way:

Here's Paul Kuharsky's take from his AFC South Blog.

Paul Kuharsky: I simply can’t believe Albert Haynesworth will be available for so little compensation with so little guaranteed money left on his deal. If he is, absolutely Houston should be at the head of the line. I’d give up a second for him in a heartbeat and the pass rush would get just what it needs. I would think the Jaguars would be interested too, and I know the Titans would be. But neither of them have a second-round pick.

[Joe Joe]

For a guy who only plays in his contract year, he got more sacks than every defensive tackle on the Texans (probably combined). At the very least, he would be a good third down DT. I would say give up a third...if he causes too many locker room issues, cut him. Outside the attitude, he is what the Texans want in a DT.

[Joshua]

I would absolutely consider trading for him. I'm also curious about some of the concerns expressed about him as they just don't jive with my memory. First, he was most definitely not a one season wonder. He has been one of the best DTs in the league for several years. As for being a cancer, as I recall, Haynesworth was ticked when he was franchised by the Titans and wanted a new longterm deal instead. Hardly an unusual situation and one you see pretty regularly. I don't recall any locker room problems with him. If we're going to cross off every player who's pissed about being franchised, that is going to make for a pretty long list. Further, as the rumors go, Tennessee is one of the teams interested. No one knows him better than Fisher and if Fisher wants him back, that tells me everything I need to know. However, I will agree that he is somewhat injury prone and will likely miss 2-6 games a year. I would take that tradeoff though.

[NBT]

What about that supposed $100M contract Albert signed with the Redskins last year? We don't want nothing to do with that!

[HPF Bob]

Have people forgotten the head-stomping incident that got Haynesworth suspended?

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by NBT

What about that supposed $100M contract Albert signed with the Redskins last year? We don't want nothing to do with that!

The Redskins have already paid him about 1/3 of that: Signing bonus. If the Redskins trade him away, all of that salary cap money counts against their cap (though there isn't one this year- thus, the reason they would dump him now)... So, the Texans would be on the hook for each year's base salary and that's it... Also, it means the Texans could cut him at any time without suffering a cap hit from the prorated signing bonus. Very low risk move.

That being said, NO THANK YOU!

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I would absolutely consider trading for him. I'm also curious about some of the concerns expressed about him as they just don't jive with my memory. First, he was most definitely not a one season wonder. He has been one of the best DTs in the league for several years. As for being a cancer, as I recall, Haynesworth was ticked when he was franchised by the Titans and wanted a new longterm deal instead. Hardly an unusual situation and one you see pretty regularly. I don't recall any locker room problems with him. If we're going to cross off every player who's pissed about being franchised, that is going to make for a pretty long list. Further, as the rumors go, Tennessee is one of the teams interested. No one knows him better than Fisher and if Fisher wants him back, that tells me everything I need to know. However, I will agree that he is somewhat injury prone and will likely miss 2-6 games a year. I would take that tradeoff though.

He played 3 years in a row with a contract that was expiring or as a the franchise tag player, so all the years as a stud were in "contract years" so he was playing for a long term deal. He finally got it and did not play last year.

He does not go to the teams walk threw on Saturday's instead he goes to the Vols games.

Also this is directed to all the pro Albert guys, did you not read that he has a $20M bonus due in a couple years? If he is on the roster that is due. His salaries in 2011 is back in the high range.

The contract is still an issue, and if it's not I would have to think about him for a conditional pick, meaning a 2011 pick.

[kRocket]

Originally Posted by painekiller

He does not go to the teams walk threw on Saturday's instead he goes to the Vols games.

Also this is directed to all the pro Albert guys, did you not read that he has a $20M bonus due in a couple years? If he is on the roster that is due. His salaries in 2011 is back in the high range.

The contract is still an issue, and if it's not I would have to think about him for a conditional pick, meaning a 2011 pick.

Saturday is between him and the coach, I care about Sunday.

The best DT43 in the NFL is not going to come cheap, but if you want to win it will cost you. Look at what the Titans did last year without him. They went from a contender to also ran.

I would like to get him period and, BTW it ain't my money. If it improves the teams I am all for it.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by painekiller

He played 3 years in a row with a contract that was expiring or as a the franchise tag player, so all the years as a stud were in "contract years" so he was playing for a long term deal. He finally got it and did not play last year.

He does not go to the teams walk threw on Saturday's instead he goes to the Vols games.

Also this is directed to all the pro Albert guys, did you not read that he has a $20M bonus due in a couple years? If he is on the roster that is due. His salaries in 2011 is back in the high range.

The contract is still an issue, and if it's not I would have to think about him for a conditional pick, meaning a 2011 pick.

You are right about his contract issue, but no matter how you slice it, he has been one of the best DTs in the league for most of his career. Do you disagree with this? Last year, he did have a somewhat down year, but it wasn't a horrible year and he was on a terribly disfunctional team. Lots of guys have off years, particularly when their team is going nowhere. Now, if I had my way, I would want a guy with Haynesworth ability who gives 110% all the time and feeds the homeless on his days off. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find anyone trying to trade that guy and our attempts to draft that guy hasn't gone so well either. So, warts and all, I'll take Haynesworth.

As for the contract, according to the posts upthread, it is very reasonable for the next 3 years. Getting one of the best DTs in the league, even if only for 3 years, is worth it. At some point, the future has to become the present. Do you think this team is built to compete for a Super Bowl for the next 3 years? If not, let me know now so I can finally get off this ride. If so, would Haynesworth dramatically improve that possibility? I don't see how anyone could conclude otherwise. I'm sick of "our time" always being just over the horizon. For once, try and get over the hump.