Length to Impact and the 1st round

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

20# HOU- K. Jackson CB Alabama- A very talented, polished CB that should start day 1 in HOU......................

The guy who produced this freshly updated mock is a former scout for Baltimore GM Newsom by the name of Daniel Jeremiah who was a guest on the 1560 Draft show tonight. So he's got the cred given his background as a paid NFL talent evaluator, but what about who he's got the Texans taking at #20 while they leave those 2 other corners on the Board ? Any thoughts on Kareem Jackson ?

Jackson played for Nick Sabin, who is hard on DBs. To play for Sabin a CB has to be able to play man down the field. They do not get much help from the safeties who are playing in the box to stop the run.

Expect Jackson to be well coached in college and ready to play.

I have a high 2nd on him, but I am not paid like Jeremiah has been.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Jackson played for Nick Sabin, who is hard on DBs. To play for Sabin a CB has to be able to play man down the field. They do not get much help from the safeties who are playing in the box to stop the run.

Expect Jackson to be well coached in college and ready to play.

I have a high 2nd on him, but I am not paid like Jeremiah has been.

I dunno if this class of corners going into the Draft are superior, inferior, or just average compared to past years, but I'm starting to get the impression that there is rough equality within 5 or 6 corners ? In other words Haden isn't clearly the best or Haden & Kyle Wiilson clearly aren't the 2 best, but there's a half dozen or so who are all pretty close together.

[bckey]

Excellent thread guys. I see that you don't mention anything about Nate Allen as a possibility for the Texans at fs Roy. Do you not like him or is he just rated to go in a spot where you don't think the Texans could draft him? Most have him going early 2nd which would mean the Texans would have to move up in the 2nd or possibly trade back out of the 1st.

[Joe Joe]

For LTI, getting a CB, RB, or OG is probably the best bet for immediate impact for the first two picks for the Texans. RB and OG would basically revamp the interior line with Smith, Caldwell, and draft pick hopefully being good enough to replace last years line while giving the Texans a RB that is a larger threat in running game. CB would be nice as well. The Texans almost need to trade down in first round to get an additional 2nd rd pick or trade up from the third round so that they can get a player at each of these needs.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Joe Joe

For LTI, getting a CB, RB, or OG is probably the best bet for immediate impact for the first two picks for the Texans.

Of those 3, RB has the shortest 'shelf-life' so, that's why I'd hate to take Ryan Mathews in the 1st round. My prob is I don't know which RB will be available in the 3rd round. So, yes, getting an extra 2nd round pick by trading down would be WONDERFUL. I'd probably go with something like....

1. CB Devin McCourty
2. OG Jon Asamoah
2. RB Ben Tate
3. DT Geno Atkins

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Of those 3, RB has the shortest 'shelf-life' so, that's why I'd hate to take Ryan Mathews in the 1st round. My prob is I don't know which RB will be available in the 3rd round. So, yes, getting an extra 2nd round pick by trading down would be WONDERFUL. I'd probably go with something like....

1. CB Devin McCourty
2. OG Jon Asamoah
2. RB Ben Tate
3. DT Geno Atkins

Or maybe Wilson falls to the spot we trade down to... it might happen.

Along with trading down, I would trade next year's 2nd rounder for a an early 3rd this season. Might be the season to go all in at the draft, build the foundation.

1 CB Kyle Wilson
2 RB Montario Hardesty
2 DT Lamarr Houston
3 OG Mike Johnson
3 DT Linval Joseph

I am with Roy on the short shelf live of the RB being an issue, that is why I pass on Mathews in the 1st, but if he is available in the early 2nd might have to look at a trade up.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

1 CB Kyle Wilson
2 RB Montario Hardesty
2 DT Lamarr Houston
3 OG Mike Johnson
3 DT Linval Joseph

I think that Kyle Wilson may be off the board before we pick (Steelers). Interestingly, Patrick Robinson is being shown as a 2nd round pick these days which makes me wonder about his 'off the field' 'character' issues and the Academic scandal. I haven't followed him around, hired a private investigator, or talked to his teammates, but I wonder if he'd be a good teammate. I'd like to know what he ran for a Shuttle time at his Pro-Day. He gets 'dinged' for his lack of willingness to tackle in the run game (Phillip Buchanan, anyone?) but has the hands to make an interception. Then there is Ghee who may be a better FS than CB and has hands like feet. I'm being a 'wishful thinker,' but would realllllly like for Devin McCourty to be there after a trade down.

On another post, I think Nunu was asking about Drew Boylhart's mock draft. Looking at the mock, he has McCourty being drafted by the Ravens at #25. Wouldn't the Eagles like to trade up to #20 and let us slide down to #24 so we could get McCourty? The 'bad news' is that D.B. loves Linval Joseph so much that he has the Vikings selecting him at #30. First they have Pat & Kevin Williams and now they get this guy! Anyway, I have him with a 3rd round grade too, and hope that one of the 3-4 teams don't snag him up.

1. CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 4.48 Rutgers
2. OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
2. RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
3. DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
3. DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328 5.12 East Carolina
4. S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Of those 3, RB has the shortest 'shelf-life' so, that's why I'd hate to take Ryan Mathews in the 1st round. My prob is I don't know which RB will be available in the 3rd round. So, yes, getting an extra 2nd round pick by trading down would be WONDERFUL. I'd probably go with something like....

1. CB Devin McCourty
2. OG Jon Asamoah
2. RB Ben Tate
3. DT Geno Atkins

RBs burn quickest, but also burn the brightest. Houston passed for the most yards last season. The only things missing from a dominating offense are a running game for which they need a RB and at least one more interior lineman. The Texans need the running game now. The defense was thirteenth last year and should be better as the best players are young. The defense also needs the offense to hold more time of possession.

While early first round may be too high for a RB, I don't think pick 20 is especially early considering the RB that should be available played in a very similar system and displays what the Texans attempt to do.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by bckey

I see that you don't mention anything about Nate Allen as a possibility for the Texans at fs Roy.

I was pretty fired up about Nate Allen by what I had read about him. Possible "Cover" Safety that tackles well enough to help in the run game. He was one of "My Guys" going into the season. Then I watched a game he played and I was quite dissappointed. I saw a playmaker on the youtube highlights. However, I saw a guy who was hesitant to make contact in a game. When he did attempt to make a tackle, he missed and he had a couple of sweeping arm tackles that the runner broke. So, I've removed him from my board because he's not physical enough for my tastes as a 2nd round pick.

[bckey]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I was pretty fired up about Nate Allen by what I had read about him. Possible "Cover" Safety that tackles well enough to help in the run game. He was one of "My Guys" going into the season. Then I watched a game he played and I was quite dissappointed. I saw a playmaker on the youtube highlights. However, I saw a guy who was hesitant to make contact in a game. When he did attempt to make a tackle, he missed and he had a couple of sweeping arm tackles that the runner broke. So, I've removed him from my board because he's not physical enough for my tastes as a 2nd round pick.

Thanks for the info Roy. I knew there had to be a reason you left him off.