D-Rob is D-lirious... [2/24 Report: Robinson Will Not Be Tagged]

[Nconroe]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

That's not how RFA works. The draft pick you would have to give for the player is based on the tender his respective team puts on him, not where he was drafted.

quoting Ask.com comish - it does depend on the tender offer by current club. So, it could be one of several possibilities, including a pretty good deal and draft pick initially drafted at. See below.

A RFA is "any Veteran player with three or more accrued seasons, but less than five accrued seasons (or less than four accrued seasons in any capped year)... At the expiration of his last Player Contract during such period... [the player] shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any club, and any club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any such player, subject to... certain restrictions." The restrictions are the fun part.

The player's original team maintains the First Refusal Right if the team tenders a contract offer of one year at $1.01 M.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and Draft Selection at the Player’s Original Draft Round (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at the same amount(s) listed above OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and Second Round Draft Selection (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $$1.545 million OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and First Round Draft Selection (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $2.198 million OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and First Round Draft Selection and Third Round Draft Selection (both from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $2.792 million OR at least 110% of the player's prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

In the event a Prior Club withdraws its Qualifying Offer, the RFA immediately becomes an UFA.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

quoting Ask.com comish - it does depend on the tender offer by current club. So, it could be one of several possibilities, including a pretty good deal and draft pick initially drafted at. See below.

Right, which is what I said.

[Keith]

Spoke with CB Dunta Robinson and he's heard nothing. That tells me they have no plans to franchise him by Feb. 25 deadline.

http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/statuses/9248900529

CAUTION: McClain is trying to use insight with his reporting here... last year recall that the Texans were negotiating with Robinson before they tagged him. While it seems more likely they might just let him go to free agency, I still don't rule out the possibility of a tag. I think if you tag him, you bought yourself some trade bait.

Plus the Texans can elect to rescind the tag, though if I'm Robinson, I don't pull that crap on sitting out camp this year since (a) he'd be getting a nice 20% increase, and (b) if the trade offers dried up, the Texans could pull the tag long after the teams have spent their offseason budgets.

fyi - deadline to tag is 2/25, 3pm CT.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Keith

http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/statuses/9248900529

CAUTION: McClain is trying to use insight with his reporting here... last year recall that the Texans were negotiating with Robinson before they tagged him. While it seems more likely they might just let him go to free agency, I still don't rule out the possibility of a tag. I think if you tag him, you bought yourself some trade bait.

Plus the Texans can elect to rescind the tag, though if I'm Robinson, I don't pull that crap on sitting out camp this year since (a) he'd be getting a nice 20% increase, and (b) if the trade offers dried up, the Texans could pull the tag long after the teams have spent their offseason budgets.

fyi - deadline to tag is 2/25, 3pm CT.

When was the last time a team traded a player under the franchise tag? I am having a hard time finding one, I think it's happened but I cannot remember it.

Signing Dunta with the thought of trading him is foolish IMO. The GM's in the league will laugh if we tie that money in such an overrated player and make us sit on him. There is not such a shortage of CB with leg issues. He is undersized and was torn up last season in one on one situations, only our fans think he is worth anything. He only has 13 ints in 6 years, not an elite CB, IMO.

Now Dunta does have the fact that no one else worth a shit is a FA, Bodden excepted.

But this is a deep draft of solid DBs....

[Keith]

Originally Posted by painekiller

When was the last time a team traded a player under the franchise tag? I am having a hard time finding one, I think it's happened but I cannot remember it.

Look no further than last year. The Pats tagged Matt Cassel and subsequently traded him (and Mike Vrabel) to the Chiefs for an early second. Another memorable one was when the Chiefs tagged Jared Allen then traded him to the Vikings for a 1st and a 3rd. Less memorable? How about the Pack tagging DT Corey Williams then trading him to the Browns for a 2nd. The Pats also did it with Tebucky Jones awhile back - after tagging him, they sent him off for a 3rd, 7th, and a 4th the following year.

You just don't let Dunta walk for nuthin'. Expect the tag... I will. Or use McClain's insight.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Keith

Look no further than last year. The Pats tagged Matt Cassel and subsequently traded him (and Mike Vrabel) to the Chiefs for an early second. Another memorable one was when the Chiefs tagged Jared Allen then traded him to the Vikings for a 1st and a 3rd. Less memorable? How about the Pack tagging DT Corey Williams then trading him to the Browns for a 2nd. The Pats also did it with Tebucky Jones awhile back - after tagging him, they sent him off for a 3rd, 7th, and a 4th the following year.

You just don't let Dunta walk for nuthin'. Expect the tag... I will. Or use McClain's insight.

I stand corrected, I knew there were cases and I was forgetting them. I wanted us to get into the Allen sweepstakes, can you imagine Williams and Allen together?

As for the Cassel trade, I though that was more of a new GM, former draft wiz of the Pats, wanting to get his guy back to go with his new HC.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Keith

http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/statuses/9248900529
I think if you tag him, you bought yourself some trade bait.

Plus the Texans can elect to rescind the tag, though if I'm Robinson,
(b) if the trade offers dried up, the Texans could pull the tag long after the teams have spent their offseason budgets.

I like this option. Tag him, compare trade offers, and hopefully get something for nothing. If no GM blinks and offers a 2nd round or 3rd round pick for the "best CB in FA" and Dunta resorts to being a jerk, then rescind the tag. Hell hath no fury like a GM scorned.

[NickO]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I like this option. Tag him, compare trade offers, and hopefully get something for nothing. If no GM blinks and offers a 2nd round or 3rd round pick for the "best CB in FA" and Dunta resorts to being a jerk, then rescind the tag. Hell hath no fury like a GM scorned.

Best option from a fan's standpoint, but the Texans may be getting a bit of a reputation as an organisation that doesn't take care of its players.

Per Lance Zierlein's blog...

I've spoken with a couple of agents who have players on the Texans roster and they said that there is starting to be some hard feeling from the players towards management. In other words, I think that the fact that the Texans aren't taking care of their best players contractually is starting to hurt them in the locker room.

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootba...otion_and.html

...then again, these are agents he's talking with, so take that for what it's worth.

[WMH]

It is unofficially, official........Barring any craziness that happens in FA, Dunta has played his last game as a Texan.

From the chronic - http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6882589.html :

The Texans have informed cornerback Dunta Robinson they will not be using the franchise tag on him for a second consecutive year, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

There will be no more negotiations for a new contract, which means Robinson will become an unrestricted free agent on March 5 and will be able to sign with any team.

Robinson, a first-round draft choice in 2004 who played six seasons with the Texans, earned $9.957 million last year when he was designated as the franchise player. Before he was franchised, Robinson turned down an offer that would have guaranteed him $23 million.

Robinson started every game last season and covered the opponent's best receiver. Because free agency will increase from four to six years without a salary cap, Robinson should be one of the most attractive free agents on the market.

Without Robinson, cornerback becomes a priority position for the Texans. Expect them to use a high draft choice on a replacement.

Glover Quin starts at one spot. Jacques Reeves and Brice McCain played better than the other reserve corners last season. Fred Bennett was a disappointment, and Antwaun Molden was injured much of the season.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by NickO

Best option from a fan's standpoint, but the Texans may be getting a bit of a reputation as an organisation that doesn't take care of its players.

Per Lance Zierlein's blog...


http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootba...otion_and.html

...then again, these are agents he's talking with, so take that for what it's worth.

I think management is just trying to play it a little tighter/a little smarter these days. They have been burnt in the past with stupid trades and FA signings and poor extensions. I think they need to:

1. Make DeMeco (and his agent) happy. Do the long term deal or pay the man a premium salary for at least this year till some of this upcoming labor dispute becomes clearer.

2. Ditto for OD. Unfortunately, he lost a lot of bargaining power with the club due to injury. I'd like to see them keep him on with a reasonable deal. IMO, he's got a year to prove he can overcome the injury. This would work for him if he wants out in 2011 - he can show the league he's still got it.

3. Kevin Walter - I believe he's a true URFA and as far as I can tell, not a "complainer". I want him back but they may feel they are deep enough to go in a different direction. His situation might be stickier than the other two. It's an uncapped year so I have no idea how they are going to play this one...

The Texans are not the Patriots......yet. They can't afford to let their best players leave just yet. IMO, they're not tightwads - nothing I've seen suggests that. I like the fact that they DO NOT throw stupid money at big name free agents. I think they've proved they can been very good to some..... Mario, Schaub, Winston, A Smith, etc....

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McClain on the radio right now saying both Dunta and Pitts (!) won't be back next year....

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Arky

2. Ditto for OD. Unfortunately, he lost a lot of bargaining power with the club due to injury. I'd like to see them keep him on with a reasonable deal. IMO, he's got a year to prove he can overcome the injury. This would work for him if he wants out in 2011 - he can show the league he's still got it.

McClain on the radio right now saying both Dunta and Pitts (!) won't be back next year....

I think the Texans made a "reasonable" offer before OD got hurt.

There is a difference between "taking care" of your best players contractually, and just giving out silly money for past performance. A team should be spending money on players who will most likely earn their salaries.

DeMeco Ryans falls into this category. I was worried Schaub may not have played up to his contract, but at this point, I'd say that he did. Whatever Andre makes, Andre earns.