Sold!

[gunn]

I like him... but I'm also high on Mike Johnson out of Alabama. I'm with Bob on this one... Give me Joe Haden. I think both Iupati and Johnson have a chance of being there in round two and I wouldn't hesitate on taking either one at that time.

Also... concerning some of the other guards... Sergio Render and Jon Asamoah I wouldn't touch either before the 5th or 6th round. Color me not impressed.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by gunn

I like him... but I'm also high on Mike Johnson out of Alabama. I'm with Bob on this one... Give me Joe Haden. I think both Iupati and Johnson have a chance of being there in round two and I wouldn't hesitate on taking either one at that time.

Also... concerning some of the other guards... Sergio Render and Jon Asamoah I wouldn't touch either before the 5th or 6th round. Color me not impressed.

Johnson might last until the 3rd, but IMO Iupati is going in the 1st round. And he will be one of the best OG in the league in a year or two, no matter the system. The guy is that good. He has some of the quickest feet I have seen on a 330lb-er. He plays like he's 295lb on the edge and he has the arms to keep players off his body. He will be a stud and I want him over any CB in this draft. This is a weak CB draft.

[gunn]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Johnson might last until the 3rd, but IMO Iupati is going in the 1st round. And he will be one of the best OG in the league in a year or two, no matter the system. The guy is that good. He has some of the quickest feet I have seen on a 330lb-er. He plays like he's 295lb on the edge and he has the arms to keep players off his body. He will be a stud and I want him over any CB in this draft. This is a weak CB draft.

We'll see.... I hate to say that a player is going here or there in the draft. It's just so early in the process. I like what I've seen of Mike Johnson and if he were to be around in the 3rd round.... someone is going to get a really good bargain on a high quality player.

As for what I've seen of Haden... he has the chance to be a really good player in the NFL. He would be an instant upgrade over Dunta and likely be the best corner on this team from the word go. They are both huge areas of need for this team... No question about it. You won't hear me complaining either way if one or the other is upgraded.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Johnson might last until the 3rd, but IMO Iupati is going in the 1st round. And he will be one of the best OG in the league in a year or two, no matter the system. The guy is that good. He has some of the quickest feet I have seen on a 330lb-er. He plays like he's 295lb on the edge and he has the arms to keep players off his body. He will be a stud and I want him over any CB in this draft. This is a weak CB draft.

I with you on Iupati. Johnson is nothing more than a 3rd rounder IMO as well. Straight ahead power blocking is his strength. He is average at best in pulling and finding a block in the open field. That is why I dont see him a good fit here. If hes drafted by a power running team (I think he will) he will do well. Outside of Haden who wont last until we pick, especially after the combine, there isnt any CB that would help us more than the trench guys that should be available. IMO.

[kRocket]

IMO there is little chance we will continue the ZBS. By now even Kubes should be convinced that it can't replace 'Hawgs' up front anymore. I don't know what has occurred to marginalize it, but it just isn't working very well anymore. Maybe the defenses have caught up with it. Gibbs probably won't hang around next year especially if Kubiak doesn't and we will switch to a more conventional lne philosophy. For these reasons I doubt we will rate our prospects on their ability to play in the ZBS.

With that said Iupati is still a good choice!

[mussop]

Originally Posted by kRocket

IMO there is little chance we will continue the ZBS. By now even Kubes should be convinced that it can't replace 'Hawgs' up front anymore. I don't know what has occurred to marginalize it, but it just isn't working very well anymore. Maybe the defenses have caught up with it. Gibbs probably won't hang around next year especially if Kubiak doesn't and we will switch to a more conventional lne philosophy. For these reasons I doubt we will rate our prospects on their ability to play in the ZBS.

With that said Iupati is still a good choice!

I pray you are right but as stubborn as Kubiak has shown to be I highly doubt he has learned from his failings.