Looking at Tight End Contracts

NBT · #1 10-21-2009, 03:58 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but with no CBA next year Robinson and Daniels would no longer be tethered to the Texans and could sign with whom they please for whatever deal they could get, and no compensation for us. Is that not so? I would really hate to lose both of them.

WMH · #2 10-21-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

Correct me if I am wrong, but with no CBA next year Robinson and Daniels would no longer be tethered to the Texans and could sign with whom they please for whatever deal they could get, and no compensation for us. Is that not so? I would really hate to lose both of them.

Not sure about Daniels, but I remember the media saying that DRob could be franchised again, but with a 10% raise. I think Demeco & OD fall into the same category.....whatever that category is.

cadams · #3 10-23-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NBT

Correct me if I am wrong, but with no CBA next year Robinson and Daniels would no longer be tethered to the Texans and could sign with whom they please for whatever deal they could get, and no compensation for us. Is that not so? I would really hate to lose both of them.

as far as ryans and daniels, there could be a risk to that if the team who made an offer put a poison pill in the contract that would make it impossible for the texans to match. i think you have to get those guys signed asap

Nconroe · #4 10-23-2009, 02:45 PM

Atleast for now, I think you try hard to keep your good players if possible, it is so hard to find the good ones as we've seen over the past 7 to 8 years.

I know CBA's, economy, injuries all play into it, but I'd hate to see any of the three guys OD, Demeco, or Dunta go. Seems they are all performing at a pretty high level. The player agreement expiring could make it tricky, especially if there is lockout or mass holdouts.

Even the teams record this year likely plays into it. Are we 10-8 or just average again?

I do not think 5 big ones(millions) a year is much for any of these guys in current pay scales as compare to what other teams paying similar guys. Maybe more. The guarantee part is the tough part.

And if they can work it out now, before all those questions arise, that would be a good thing as well for Texans.

dadmg · #5 10-23-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

Correct me if I am wrong, but with no CBA next year Robinson and Daniels would no longer be tethered to the Texans and could sign with whom they please for whatever deal they could get, and no compensation for us. Is that not so? I would really hate to lose both of them.

With no CBA, Owen Daniels would be a RFA again as the wait for free agency lengthens with the prospect of a future uncapped year. With a CBA, he would be an unrestricted free agent. Dunta is completely unaffected by the CBA, barring a change to franchise player rules in a new CBA.

NBT · #6 10-23-2009, 06:41 PM

That sounds contradictory to me. With no collective bargaining agreement to heed, seems like any player could do whatever seemed to be best for himself. Same thing for the various teams.

dadmg · #7 10-25-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NBT

That sounds contradictory to me. With no collective bargaining agreement to heed, seems like any player could do whatever seemed to be best for himself. Same thing for the various teams.

I can understand how it would sound contradictory when you put it that way. And I'm not sure whether I can make it any clearer (I'm operating with a fuzzy, flu-ridden brain right now), but I am quite sure all of the following is true and information backing it up can be found all over the place on the web because I've read many articles on what's coming up if they don't reach a new agreement.

When the owners voted to opt out of the current CBA (which happened last fall), it set up a timeline for a post-agreement world, i.e. the uncapped years. The rules for uncapped years, ironically enough for those who think it'll be a player windfall, are much more strictly regulated. It takes players longer to hit free agency, teams gain more tags to restrict movement, and teams that hit the playoffs have their ability to sign free agents severely limited.

NBT · #8 10-25-2009, 05:26 PM

Ok, see...... I didn't know that. And like you say, I thought it would be the reverse. Thanks for correcting me.

ramp1028 · #9 11-03-2009, 01:32 PM

I wonder how this injury affects OD's potential cash in?

papabear · #10 11-03-2009, 01:49 PM

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I wonder how this injury affects OD's potential cash in?

He'll be likely to have to play under another one year deal to prove that he's back from the injury much like Dunta. The Texans aren't going to offer him a big money long term deal to a guy with history of knee problems until he has proven he's healthy on the field....especially if they still control him so to speak.....and Like Dadmg said, assuming there is no new CBA OD will be a RFA again. Under the current deal he would have been a unrestricted free agent after this year, but part of the last CBA included some rules if the CBA expired without a new deal in place making it harder for players to make it to Free Agency and limiting what playoff teams are able to do in free agency. Same thing applies to Demeco as well....I think.

I'm sure some guys are going to get ridiculous money if there's no cap....but I think there will also be some teams slashing payroll under where the cap floor would have been. Prime candidates IMO....KC, St. Louis, Jacksonville, Detroit, Cleveland, and possibly Tenn?