Frank Bush ready to showcase his young players in the Saints game

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

nonetheless it should be fun to see something other than 'vanilla defense' in a preseason game,

Just watch the Jets preseason games. HC Ryan does not appear to be holding back anything on defense.

[NBT]

......And brings up the question of why Kubiak didn't let the new D show it's stuff in the Chiefs game? I am looking forward to seeing that more aggressive defense they keep talking about.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by NBT

......And brings up the question of why Kubiak didn't let the new D show it's stuff in the Chiefs game? I am looking forward to seeing that more aggressive defense they keep talking about.

Partly because each day you install a little more of the play book. The early part of camp is basics. Then once the foundation is laid, you add the walls...

They are just now getting to the more advanced stunts/blitzes and how the team is going to disguise them.

You get the idea.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Partly because each day you install a little more of the play book. The early part of camp is basics. Then once the foundation is laid, you add the walls...

They are just now getting to the more advanced stunts/blitzes and how the team is going to disguise them.

You get the idea.

I guess my question would be why we only have the foundation put up but Rex Ryan already has the walls up. Didn't the Jets' D go through a major overhaul and a conversion from a 4-3 to a 3-4? I can't imagine that Frank Bush is changing our D more than Ryan is changing the Jets.

While its purely speculation, I suspect it has more to do with a coach's approach to the preseason. Some prefer to run vanilla offenses and defenses so that they don't give anything away. Others (it sounds like Ryan falls in this camp) want to see how their guys will execute what is essentially a regular season gameplan and think this experience trumps any secrets they may give away.

In my opinion, if your unit doesn't have a track record of success (like our D), I think the better approach is to have them essentially execute a regular season gameplan, with the associated blitzes and whatnot, to see how they do, even if you may be giving away some of your schemes. This sounds like what Ryan is doing in NY. He's decided any detriment of giving away his scheme is outweighed by getting his D to buy into his gameplan and develop his mentality. I agree with this approach. Considering how poorly our D has traditionally played, I think it's more important to getting them playing better and with confidence. Hopefully, we may start seeing some of this Saturday.

[painekiller]

I am guessing here, so take it for what it's worth. If you listened to Kubiak interviews, they have dumbed the defense down, and they did the basic install during OTA and again during minicamp. Why, so the young guys could get up to speed and contribute.

Then Kubiak said they where going to start all over again at training camp, again so the young guys could get where they are playing at full speed, not thinking near as much as in the past.

Look at our roster, especially the defense, we are one of the younger teams. And we are expecting a lot from our draft picks. Teams like the Steelers expect the draft picks to learn a year or two and play special teams.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I am guessing here, so take it for what it's worth. If you listened to Kubiak interviews, they have dumbed the defense down, and they did the basic install during OTA and again during minicamp. Why, so the young guys could get up to speed and contribute.

Then Kubiak said they where going to start all over again at training camp, again so the young guys could get where they are playing at full speed, not thinking near as much as in the past.

Look at our roster, especially the defense, we are one of the younger teams. And we are expecting a lot from our draft picks. Teams like the Steelers expect the draft picks to learn a year or two and play special teams.

Could be. But when I look at the players who will be getting the majority of the snaps on D, there's no reason why we should have to dumb it down. And if there is, I'm concerned. Mario, Amobi, Deljuan, Travis, and Bullman have all been here several years. The only players who are totally new to the line and should be getting a lot of snaps are Smith (who should be able to get up to speed very quickly) and Barwin (who, by the team's own admission, is more of a 3rd down specialist this year and shouldn't have to worry about this stuff as much). As for the linebackers, really no one but Cushing is all that new and needs a lot of time to learn the system. I grant you that we are playing young corners, but I would think that corner is the one position that generally has the least assignment changes when we're blitzing or what-have-you, particularly if we're playing man coverage.

Finally, painekiller, please don't take this as me griping at you. I realize you're just relaying what you heard and I always appreciate your comments.

[NBT]

BUT......doesn't every team have the same problem with getting the rookies on defense up to speed, and yet both the Jets and the Titans looked in midseason form in their first exhibition game. I am sure it wasn't Frank Bush holding back, so I think it was just Kubiak being careful with that beatup secondary.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by NBT

......And brings up the question of why Kubiak didn't let the new D show it's stuff in the Chiefs game? I am looking forward to seeing that more aggressive defense they keep talking about.

Who said he didn't?