Aaron Maybin Quick Vid.

[jppaul]

Pretty neat, Maybin has a great first step, little soft against the run, but should run great for a DE. Might not be around at 15, but if we take a DL, and I am no saying we should, this would be my choice.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/...deo?id=3919153

[Roy P]

Cleveland, Green Bay, San Francisco, or Denver selects this guy to be the next DeMarcus Ware. I would recommend not getting your hopes up.

[jppaul]

Overall Football Traits
Production 2
A third-year sophomore who declared with two years of eligibility remaining. He redshirted in 2006 and played as a backup and on special teams in 2007, when he notched 12 total tackles, including four sacks. Had a breakout season in 2008, when he started all 13 games and recorded 49 tackles, including 19 TFL. He also led the Big Ten with 12 sacks.
Height-Weight-Speed 3
Adequate height for a DE but can he add 15 pounds to his frame. Likely to settle in as a rush-LB in the NFL. Is in great physical condition (just four-percent body fat) and displays excellent straight-line speed.
Durability 1
Played in all 25 games during his two seasons of eligibility at PSU. Appears to be a flexible, healthy and durable athlete.
Character 1
Very mature for his young age. A natural leader ? both vocally and by example. Non-stop motor is infectious. Great football character. Not aware of any off-the-field issues.
Defensive End specific Traits
Agility/Quickness 1
Exceptionally quick and fluid, even for his type of hybrid DE/OLB. Shows excellent agility and closing burst to the quarterback. Possesses top-shelf body control, as well
Strength/Toughness 3
He is lean and must add bulk to frame. Is light in the rear and shows marginal ability to stack at the line of scrimmage when teams run at him. However, don't mistake small for weak or soft in his case. He is aggressive and feisty. He displays good initial pop and adequate upper-body power. And he certainly does not back down from a one-on-one physical battle.
Instincts 2
A natural playmaker with a knack for jarring the ball loose. Very good snap anticipation and awareness as a pass rusher. Should only continue to improve in this area with more experience.
Pass Rusher 1
Quickest first step of all the edge rushers in the 2009 class. Fluid double moves. Bends the edge tightly. Shows quick hands and strong enough upper body to keep bigger blockers off his pads. Still developing his array of pass rush moves. Gets caught too frequently trying to spin out of double-team attention and needs work in that regard.
Run Stopper 2
Spent a lot of time last season working head-up on the TE as PSU's strong-side DE. Shows discipline with backside containment. Stays low and fights to keep his positioning. Can stack versus most TE's but gets washed out too easily by bigger OT's when they get into his pads.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Cleveland, Green Bay, San Francisco, or Denver selects this guy to be the next DeMarcus Ware. I would recommend not getting your hopes up.

Dont worry my expectations are properly tempered.

[Roy P]

This guy could be similar to Kamerion Wimbley or Manny Lawson. How many people remember that Lawson ran a 4.43?

[jppaul]

I do, and I remember that San Fran traded two picks to get that one they used on Lawson.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by jppaul

I do, and I remember that San Fran traded two picks to get that one they used on Lawson.

Yeh what a waste! I have to admit I wanted the guy.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Roy P

How many people remember that Lawson ran a 4.43?

Yeah, 40 times are amazingly overrated. I'm not even going to look at them this year unless a CB or WR runs over 4.87 and not at all for any other position. There is so little in the game where players are asked to run full speed for 40 yards.

I think Terrell Suggs ran really slooooowwww, too... in spite of video evidence showing he had a lethal first step. Hopefully one of these guys shows poorly at the combine and drops out of the top 10.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Keith

Yeah, 40 times are amazingly overrated. I'm not even going to look at them this year unless a CB or WR runs over 4.87 and not at all for any other position. There is so little in the game where players are asked to run full speed for 40 yards.

I think Terrell Suggs ran really slooooowwww, too... in spite of video evidence showing he had a lethal first step. Hopefully one of these guys shows poorly at the combine and drops out of the top 10.

I think a 10 yard time, in pads, from a traditional stance for your position would have a lot more relevance. It's too easy to go to a track coach and work on your start and technique and shave off precious hundredths of a second that have no correlation to the football field. 3 cone and shuttle are more important than 40 IMO, but I don't have as good a grasp of what a good time for a position is in those drills...which is probably why the NFL will never get rid of it.

[jppaul]

The 40 time is the money shot of the combine, tenths of a seconds can make you millions or lose you the same, and it is the easiest for the fan to equate to an attribute. 4.3 equals speed, 5.00 equals slow.

[nunusguy]

Rob Rang (NL Draft Scout) said Maybin is "tight-skinned", which apparently indicates he would have more trouble gaining weight than others ? Huh ?

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Rob Rang (NL Draft Scout) said Maybin is "tight-skinned", which apparently indicates he would have more trouble gaining weight than others ? Huh ?

The question drafting him would be whether you take a guy that may not play every down. Clealy early in his career, at least, he's a guy that comes out on running downs. That being said, if he has elite pass rush skills, I'd still consider him at 15. I don't have a problem with Weaver or Cochran playind DE on 3rd and 1. The real question for me would be if he can hold his ground well enough on 1st and 10 that he's not a huge liability that the opposition will exploit anytime they see him in the game.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Rob Rang (NL Draft Scout) said Maybin is "tight-skinned", which apparently indicates he would have more trouble gaining weight than others ? Huh ?

Maybe he means that he was cut?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by papabear

3 cone and shuttle are more important than 40 IMO, but I don't have as good a grasp of what a good time for a position is in those drills....

This is my own little measuring stick...

LDE: 4.32 - Shuttle & 7.40 - Cone
NT : 4.74 - Shuttle & 7.85 - Cone
3T : 4.50 - Shuttle & 7.55 - Cone
RDE: 4.25 - Shuttle & 7.27 - Cone
SLB: 4.23 - Shuttle & 7.15 - Cone
MLB: 4.20 - Shuttle & 7.10 - Cone
WLB: 4.14 - Shuttle & 7.09 - Cone
SS: 4.13 - Shuttle & 7.05 - Cone
FS: 4.11 - Shuttle & 6.98 - Cone
CB: 4.10 - Shuttle & 6.75 - Cone

Gil Brandt has his own target numbers here along with the Offensive players.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=...s&confirm=true

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Roy P

This is my own little measuring stick...

LDE: 4.32 - Shuttle & 7.40 - Cone
NT : 4.74 - Shuttle & 7.85 - Cone
3T : 4.50 - Shuttle & 7.55 - Cone
RDE: 4.25 - Shuttle & 7.27 - Cone
SLB: 4.23 - Shuttle & 7.15 - Cone
MLB: 4.20 - Shuttle & 7.10 - Cone
WLB: 4.14 - Shuttle & 7.09 - Cone
SS: 4.13 - Shuttle & 7.05 - Cone
FS: 4.11 - Shuttle & 6.98 - Cone
CB: 4.10 - Shuttle & 6.75 - Cone

Gil Brandt has his own target numbers here along with the Offensive players.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=...s&confirm=true

Thanks. I was going to ask you to post yours , or anyone else who has them, but I was also trying to make the point that the NFL uses the combine/draft for marketing and that the 40 has become the marquee event. My mom will tell you she knows nothing about football, but she can probably tell you if a guy's 40 time was slow. Even though I'm sure most recognize the limitations of the 40, they will never stop running it.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Rob Rang (NL Draft Scout) said Maybin is "tight-skinned", which apparently indicates he would have more trouble gaining weight than others ? Huh ?

Yup, and he said I was excessively loose skinned.

[painekiller]

Roy, do you think Maybin can be the 1st and 2nd down SAM who puts his hand down on 3rd down? He shows the quickest first step in the draft, but he is not a 3 down DE IMO. So can he be a SAM or even a WILL?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Roy, do you think Maybin can be the 1st and 2nd down SAM who puts his hand down on 3rd down? He shows the quickest first step in the draft, but he is not a 3 down DE IMO. So can he be a SAM or even a WILL?

That is exactly what I would do with Maybin if I were to draft him for the Texans. I'd also be blitzing my SAM about 50% of the time and expecting my S to cover the TE. While I may be in the minority on this, but I think Maybin has the agility and intelligence to learn the OLB position. Off the field, it's a freakin' miracle that this kid is so clean when he was surrounded by 'punks' like Maurice Evans at Penn St. He will be a better player than Cushing in my estimation because he can apply pressure in the backfield and he's more athletic than Mathews.

I guess the question I'd have to ask is, would we be willing to have Kamerion Wimbley play SAM for a 1st round pick?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

That is exactly what I would do with Maybin if I were to draft him for the Texans. I'd also be blitzing my SAM about 50% of the time and expecting my S to cover the TE. While I may be in the minority on this, but I think Maybin has the agility and intelligence to learn the OLB position. Off the field, it's a freakin' miracle that this kid is so clean when he was surrounded by 'punks' like Maurice Evans at Penn St. He will be a better player than Cushing in my estimation because he can apply pressure in the backfield and he's more athletic than Mathews.

I guess the question I'd have to ask is, would we be willing to have Kamerion Wimbley play SAM for a 1st round pick?

I like the SAM idea, but the WILL position could be an even bigger impact. Image taking someone like Kruger in the 2nd, and having Maybin and Kruger on the right side. Both can bring it and the OLT would always have to watch the WILL at the snap giving the DE an edge also. Talk about the games that could be played.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I like the SAM idea, but the WILL position could be an even bigger impact. Image taking someone like Kruger in the 2nd, and having Maybin and Kruger on the right side. Both can bring it and the OLT would always have to watch the WILL at the snap giving the DE an edge also. Talk about the games that could be played.

Okay, but only if I get to draft Cody Brown to play SAM.