Who will be available at 15?

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle

I can't believe Kubiak is going to go for someone who needs time to add twenty pounds of muscle. Kubiak's time is NOW. The more I think about it the less it will surprise me if he go RB, because a RB tends to be near his peak in his rookie year. The knock on RBs is they have short careers. If Kubes doesn't win next year that won't matter.

Another position known for early results is LB. Since we are deficient at LB, it won't surprise me if we go that direction either. Though we really need help at DE in passing situations, we might be able to fill that nicely in a later round with a specialist. Remember, we are kind of stuck with Weaver so we might as well use him as a first and second down guy.

An interesting thing to me is that Brown, Okoye and Williams did not have a body of work to justify how high they were drafted. But they went early anyway because they all screamed future potential. Because this may be Kubiak's last year, I don't think we'll see that kind of pick this year. I'm thinking we probably go BPAN. (Best Player Available Now)

My impact players that may be available at 15:

Aaron Maybin has the type of speed off the edge that can make a DE an instant impact player.
Ray Malulaga
James Lauranitis
Chris Wells
Brian Cushing
Malcolm Jenkins has alot of athletic ability and is one of teh more polished corners in this draft.

Personally, I would love for Malualaga to fall, but don't think it will happen.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by jppaul

My impact players that may be available at 15:

Aaron Maybin has the type of speed off the edge that can make a DE an instant impact player.
Ray Malulaga
James Lauranitis
Chris Wells
Brian Cushing
Malcolm Jenkins has alot of athletic ability and is one of teh more polished corners in this draft.

Personally, I would love for Malualaga to fall, but don't think it will happen.

I cant wait until the combine to see how Maybina and Brown look in some drills.


I think if you are on the right track with "impact players". Kubes has to make it happen this year. My list of impact players that could be available @15looks more like this.

Everette Bown
Clint Sintim OLB 6-2, 255 Virginia
Aaron Maybin DE 6-3, 235 Penn State
Chase Coffman TE 6-5, 245 Missouri
Percy Harvin WR 5-10, 180 Florida (X)
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR 6-1, 206 Maryland
Jeremy Maclin WR 6-0, 200 Missouri
Leshon McCoy RB 5-11, 215 Pittsburg
and maybe
Michael Johnson DE 6-6, 250 Georgia Tech

Any of these guys could make an impact on our team.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by jppaul

My impact players that may be available at 15:

Aaron Maybin has the type of speed off the edge that can make a DE an instant impact player.

While they haven't had a Pro Day or the Combine, I'm hesitant to say Maybin has the type of speed to be an instant impact. I've seen these projections:

Aaron Maybin 6'4" 248lbs and 4.67 - 40
Everette Brown 6'4" 252lbs and 4.65 - 40
Michael Johnson 6''7" 258lbs and 4.67 - 40
Paul Kruger 6'5" 265lbs and 4.68 - 40.

Gaines Adams ran a 4.64 at 6'5" 258lbs. I'm not sure he had an Instant Impact. Brian Robison ran a 4.67 at 6'3" 259lbs. One was the #4 pick and the other was a 4th round pick. Robison had 4.5 sacks his rookie year and started 5 games. Adams had 6 sacks his rookie year and started 8 games. I'm not quite sure we have a Jevon Kearse, Dwight Freeney, Simeon Rice, or Leslie O'neal in this draft class, who makes a difference day one.

Players who should make an impact right away in my opinion are:
Crabtree, Curry, Oher, Stafford, Moreno, Maclin, McCoy, Harvin, Pettigrew, and William Moore. Other players may develop into great players with time, but I wouldn't bet my career on it.

This brings up an interesting philosophy question between a GM and a HC. When drafting players do you go for the BPA currently or the BPA eventually? That was the question with Mario vs. Bush. Bush started off his career faster, but it now appears the Mario was the better choice.

[Bigtinylittle]

It would be interesting to know what Mario and Reggie would be worth if they were to be offered in a trade for a pick in this draft. I'm pretty sure Mario would go at or close to a number one overall, but I'm having trouble deciding what someone would offer for Bush, considering the huge contract he would come with. Would he even go for a first round pick?

[Roy P]

I realize that there has been discussions on moving Ryans out to the WILL, but what about drafting Laurinitis to play the WILL and leaving Ryans at the MIKE?

If things continue at the rate they are going, William Moore might be available in the 2nd round. Then, in the 3rd round grab DE/OLB Cody Brown. Followed by RB James Davis in the 4th.

5th TE Bear Pascoe
6th SS Keith Fitzhugh
7th DT Darryl Richard

That would shore up some needs.


Cody Brown is 6'2" 248lbs 4.68
Everette Brown is 6'4" 252lbs 4.65 and people are considering using our 1st round pick on him.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I realize that there has been discussions on moving Ryans out to the WILL, but what about drafting Laurinitis to play the WILL and leaving Ryans at the MIKE?

If things continue at the rate they are going, William Moore might be available in the 2nd round. Then, in the 3rd round grab DE/OLB Cody Brown. Followed by RB James Davis in the 4th.

5th TE Bear Pascoe
6th SS Keith Fitzhugh
7th DT Darryl Richard

That would shore up some needs.


Cody Brown is 6'2" 248lbs 4.68
Everette Brown is 6'4" 252lbs 4.65 and people are considering using our 1st round pick on him.

What do you think about drafting Malualaga and moving him to Sam, keeping Adibi at Will, Demeco as Mike, and Diles as the first backup to Sam and Mike?

If you can't tell btw, I am a huge fan of Malualaga's and believe he is the thumper that brings teh attitude we need to the D.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I realize that there has been discussions on moving Ryans out to the WILL, but what about drafting Laurinitis to play the WILL and leaving Ryans at the MIKE?

If things continue at the rate they are going, William Moore might be available in the 2nd round. Then, in the 3rd round grab DE/OLB Cody Brown. Followed by RB James Davis in the 4th.

5th TE Bear Pascoe
6th SS Keith Fitzhugh
7th DT Darryl Richard

That would shore up some needs.


Cody Brown is 6'2" 248lbs 4.68
Everette Brown is 6'4" 252lbs 4.65 and people are considering using our 1st round pick on him.

You cant judge a guy by measurables alone. You know that.

[Bigtinylittle]

In one of the games yesterday I watched a defensive player, I think he was a DE, come around the edge as fast as he could and as he was getting toward the QB his body was leaning so far over sideways he seemed like he was barely a foot off the ground. Moving sideways. At full speed. And he made the play. I could study measurables all day long and they would never tell me who could make that play and who would be falling on their face.

Obviously, it is great tho know the measurables, but how do you measure something like that?

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle

In one of the games yesterday I watched a defensive player, I think he was a DE, come around the edge as fast as he could and as he was getting toward the QB his body was leaning so far over sideways he seemed like he was barely a foot off the ground. Moving sideways. At full speed. And he made the play. I could study measurables all day long and they would never tell me who could make that play and who would be falling on their face.

Obviously, it is great tho know the measurables, but how do you measure something like that?

They call that Body Lean and it was a reason that the Giants wouldn't trade Osi to the Chargers in the 04? draft.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

You cant judge a guy by measurables alone. You know that.

But it does help compare players who have gone against different competition. One guy who makes a great play against an inferior opponent, might not have been in the same position against better talent.

I like to watch the players to determine who I am interested in, but then use the measurable to check my enthusiasm.

Cody Brown gets results in pass rush, however he is probably too small at the next level to play DE all three downs. Everette Brown is only slightly larger, but probably falls into that same category. Unless of course you have better tacklers at LB and S to cover up his deficiency against the run. The other option is go to a 3-4 system to play OLB.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I realize that there has been discussions on moving Ryans out to the WILL, but what about drafting Laurinitis to play the WILL and leaving Ryans at the MIKE?

Laurinitis is not the prototypical WILL IMO. I can see him as a MIKE or a SAM.

Rey Rey is looking like a 3-4 Middle guy. I like his attitude, but he is a little slow which would hurt in pass coverage.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Laurinitis is not the prototypical WILL IMO. I can see him as a MIKE or a SAM.

Did you think that of A.J. Hawk? I did, but he was pretty effective at the WILL for the Packers. Of course, now with Capers as the DC in GB, he may become the ILB.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Did you think that of A.J. Hawk? I did, but he was pretty effective at the WILL for the Packers. Of course, now with Capers as the DC in GB, he may become the ILB.

I thought Hawk was a 3 position guy, but the WILL was my least favorite place to play him. I would have put him in the middle had we drafted him.

Your point is a good one. I guess I am starting to favor the smaller quicker approach.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Laurinitis is not the prototypical WILL IMO. I can see him as a MIKE or a SAM.

Rey Rey is looking like a 3-4 Middle guy. I like his attitude, but he is a little slow which would hurt in pass coverage.

Wonder why Laurinitis passed up the Senior Bowl ? He seems just like the kind of player who would be there no matter what to compete ? Unless he's injured ?
I think Rey-Rey is overrated and Cushing, who really reminds me of Laurinitis, will go off of the Board first among USC LBS.
Of Laurinitis, Cushing, & Rey-Rey, which would be the most valuable backer to the Texans ?

[jppaul]

I don't think Maluluaga is overrated but I think Cushing was a little bit underrated going into this process.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

While they haven't had a Pro Day or the Combine, I'm hesitant to say Maybin has the type of speed to be an instant impact. I've seen these projections:

Aaron Maybin 6'4" 248lbs and 4.67 - 40
Everette Brown 6'4" 252lbs and 4.65 - 40
Michael Johnson 6''7" 258lbs and 4.67 - 40
Paul Kruger 6'5" 265lbs and 4.68 - 40.

Gaines Adams ran a 4.64 at 6'5" 258lbs. I'm not sure he had an Instant Impact. Brian Robison ran a 4.67 at 6'3" 259lbs. One was the #4 pick and the other was a 4th round pick. Robison had 4.5 sacks his rookie year and started 5 games. Adams had 6 sacks his rookie year and started 8 games. I'm not quite sure we have a Jevon Kearse, Dwight Freeney, Simeon Rice, or Leslie O'neal in this draft class, who makes a difference day one.

Players who should make an impact right away in my opinion are:
Crabtree, Curry, Oher, Stafford, Moreno, Maclin, McCoy, Harvin, Pettigrew, and William Moore. Other players may develop into great players with time, but I wouldn't bet my career on it.

This brings up an interesting philosophy question between a GM and a HC. When drafting players do you go for the BPA currently or the BPA eventually? That was the question with Mario vs. Bush. Bush started off his career faster, but it now appears the Mario was the better choice.

I don't think a 40 time is the most important stat for a DE. I look, as I am sure you do Roy, at thier first step among other things, and I believe that Johnson and Maybin have the most dynamic first step off the line in this draft.

I am not sure about Everette Brown, he seems a bit like a mirage to me. He is good in college but I am not sure that he will succeed in the pros, he reminds me of Jamaal Anderson?, and for that reason I am skeptical.