Bob McNair

[chuck]

McNeck's at it again.

Sexual harrassment is literally a joke to this fkface.

[HPF Bob]

A link might have been appropriate.

This appears to be it:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...son/457174002/

McNair is defending outgoing Panthers owner Jerry Richardson claiming Richardson's comments "might have been joking" and "didn't mean to offend anyone".

But it's really hard to tell what was said from all the editorializing contained in the story.

I'm sure McNair and Richardson are both friends and Carolina "good ol boys" and McNair probably hates to see a friend and someone he sees as a model owner being forced out. That's how I read it. Can we expect men in their 70s who grew up in a completely different environment than the hypersensitive one we live in today to completely "get it" when others accuse them of inappropriate comments? In our #MeToo generation where a hand on a shoulder can be blown up into a firing offense?

McNair would have been smart to simply say "no comment" or steer the conversation elsewhere but he sees a friend under siege and wanted to offer some support.

[barrett]

He basically said Richardson got a raw deal and shouldn't have had to sell the Panthers because sometimes rich guys pay sexual allegations off because it's cheaper.

The comment is debatable if it came from a guy defending himself. It's beyond idiotic when you come in from the outside to defend a guy who paid off sexually based allegations. It's almost as idiotic as the prison inmate comment. It's like he's totally unaware he's a public figure and his casual/generational racist/sexist comments won't play well with that public. Either he wants to crusade for the rights of those who pay off sexual harrassment allegations which is just dumb and hurts his franchise, or he is losing his faculties and things he normally wouldn't say out loud are slipping out as a result. Either way Cal needs to find a way to remove the old man from all media contact.

[chuck]

Hypersensitivity? Uh, no. Women have decided that they do not need to tolerate being sexually harrassed in the workplace (Hand on the shoulder? Come on, Buford.), and a lot of us have decided that casual racism on the part of powerful people needs to be punished severely because one of its results is innocent people being shot twenty times as they stand in their back yard minding their own business. And then they get handcuffed. (Nice touch, eh, Buford,the handcuffs?)

Large business, ideally local businesses, need to pull their sponsorships from the team. If I lived in Necktown I would go out of my way not to patronize the team's sponsors.

It is absolutely amazing to me how out of touch this freak is.

[HPF Bob]

I know you detest McNair (and that's your right) but it is illogical to connect him to a police shooting in Sacramento (one of the most liberal cities in the country) that he has nothing to do with.

I wasn't happy with the way SPD handled this but they didn't just show up to shoot a black guy. He was suspected of breaking into cars along his street after dark and was tracked by helicopter until police arrived. The helicopter video clearly shows the suspect vaulting over backyard fences when the police gave chase. Yes, he turned out to be unarmed but he was waving his girlfriend's pink cell phone at them rather than complying with orders to stop and throw up his hands. The police mistook the cell phone for a gun and opened fire.

Most damning was one officer's instruction to mute his bodycam before engaging the suspect. They should have also waited for the helicopter to put a spotlight on the suspect so they could more clearly see him.

None of this has anything to do with McNair or Richardson even if you want to stretch this into being the cause behind the kneel-down protests. Black Lives Matter incites protests while conveniently ignoring two major facts: 1) More cops are killed in shootings in the U.S. than they are the shooter and 2) Blacks are ten times more likely to be murdered by another black man in the U.S. than they are by a policeman of any race.

Police shootings are unfortunate and should be more rare but the selective outrage gives an unbalanced view of the severity of violence against minorities. They refuse to see the logs in their own eyes for their outrage about the speck in the eyes of others.

[chuck]

I'm not going to spend a lot of time with you on this because you have proven on countless occasions that you have neither the intellectual integrity nor the emotional maturity to engage productively on the subject. I'll just remind you that what organizations and individuals are pointing out is racism that is institutional. One reason we, in 2018, are still struggling with institutional racism is that powerful people continue to be racists, even people whose power largely stems from owning high profile businesses that operate via and profit largely from African American employees.

One of the most visible results of this institutional racism is the impunity with which police can and do murder citizens, a disproportionate number of whom are black men.

That is one example of many of why our society must punish high profile racists.

And on your blisteringly ignorant, Breitbart-level stupid ideas about shooting figures (I like how in your world BLM 'incites' rather than organizes protests), I'll just leave you with a headline:

Police fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, and 46 officers were killed, nationwide in 2017

https://tinyurl.com/ybukmjsl

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

I'm not going to spend a lot of time with you on this because you have proven on countless occasions that you have neither the intellectual integrity nor the emotional maturity to engage productively on the subject. I'll just remind you that what organizations and individuals are pointing out is racism that is institutional. One reason we, in 2018, are still struggling with institutional racism is that powerful people continue to be racists, even people whose power largely stems from owning high profile businesses that operate via and profit largely from African American employees.

One of the most visible results of this institutional racism is the impunity with which police can and do murder citizens, a disproportionate number of whom are black men.

That is one example of many of why our society must punish high profile racists.

And on your blisteringly ignorant, Breitbart-level stupid ideas about shooting figures (I like how in your world BLM 'incites' rather than organizes protests), I'll just leave you with a headline:

Police fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, and 46 officers were killed, nationwide in 2017

https://tinyurl.com/ybukmjsl

As long as what you mean by 'punish racists' is boycott/punish economically/make them sell their money making football teams/etc... then I agree with you wholeheartedly. If you want to get rich owning football teams that spend tons of public money and take tons of tax breaks, then I hope you get economically crushed when your racism seeps out in public. But we absolutely cannot punish people legally for racist/sexist public comments.

We can punish Richardson for sexually harassing or racially discriminating against his employees (assuming the employees come forward instead of taking money). If the employees don't come forward but it comes out later then the best we can do is punish him with economic boycotts or a forced sale (for a reported $2.5 Billion. We should all be so punished).

Nothing McNair has said even approached any kind of legal punishment, but I do wish people would boycott to show him you can't just go around saying stuff like that.