2012 mocks

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

From Mario to JJ, Kubiak has a string (and a policy) of first-rounders starting from Day One, but do you really think this Hill guy would be up that assignment ?
And isn't this supposed to be an extremely deep Draft for WRs ? Well if so I can see them holding off until the second-round to get their receiver, especially if a really good edge-rusher or DBack that Wade covets is available to them in the first round.

I have heard Kubiak say that this is the first season that they expect the number 1 pick to not start. They do not see any obvious holes in the starters, unless Myers leaves, which they do not expect.

Now if Mario leaves, I do see them looking at the BPA from the OLB or WR positions. Also there are some decent WR prospects available in the 2nd, same with the OLBs.

[HPF Bob]

For the first time, we need to think a round lower when assessing draft picks because we are so low in the drafting order. IOW, when you hear "third round projection", that is who we should look at in the second round, "fourth round projection" in the third round, etc. because most of the guys we think might be available in a certain round will probably be gone by the time we're on the clock. So, for example, the guys you think merit a third round grade should be the ones you consider with your second round pick along with the guys who have fallen out of earlier rounds. That way, when you're on the clock, you have a pool of guys to consider instead of cursing all the players already taken. Better to go through the draft pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Better to go through the draft pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed.

I don't know. As a general rule being bitterly disappointed has always worked pretty well for me.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

For the first time, we need to think a round lower when assessing draft picks because we are so low in the drafting order. IOW, when you hear "third round projection", that is who we should look at in the second round, "fourth round projection" in the third round, etc. because most of the guys we think might be available in a certain round will probably be gone by the time we're on the clock. So, for example, the guys you think merit a third round grade should be the ones you consider with your second round pick along with the guys who have fallen out of earlier rounds. That way, when you're on the clock, you have a pool of guys to consider instead of cursing all the players already taken. Better to go through the draft pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed.

That pretty much sums up how I have approached this draft.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Now if Mario leaves

My whole viewpoint of the Texans' Draft is premised on Mario's departure, isn't yours ?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

My whole viewpoint of the Texans' Draft is premised on Mario's departure, isn't yours ?

No it's not. I think that it's likely to happen, but I also will not be shocked to see Mario back.

In the whole FA things going on I believe Foster and Meyer's mean more to the team, then Mario. I do not see Mario being worth the money he has been paid, and a rookie came in last year and did a serviceable job.

Now to be clear, I want Mario back and we are better with him than without him, but it comes down to allocation of resources and a team with enough weapons on offense and defense.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

No it's not. I think that it's likely to happen, but I also will not be shocked to see Mario back.

In the whole FA things going on I believe Foster and Meyer's mean more to the team, then Mario. I do not see Mario being worth the money he has been paid, and a rookie came in last year and did a serviceable job.

Now to be clear, I want Mario back and we are better with him than without him, but it comes down to allocation of resources and a team with enough weapons on offense and defense.

I agree with much of what you say, except I honestly don't want Mario back because as you yourself point out we would have likely had to pay a larger price for him than what he's really worth to us. I will be very surprised if Mario is a Texan in the 2012 season.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

I agree with much of what you say, except I honestly don't want Mario back because as you yourself point out we would have likely had to pay a larger price for him than what he's really worth to us. I will be very surprised if Mario is a Texan in the 2012 season.

Demeco Ryans $5+ million.
Jacoby Jones $3 million.

Drop Demeco and JJ and you have the year one cap number for Mario or very close to it if he signs a long term deal. Throw in Leinhart and look at it this way.

Cut Demeco, JJ, Leinhart. Franchise Mario (terrible deal, but just saying).

Less money than Demeco, JJ, Leinhart, Mario cost last year.

If you resign Mario rather than Franchising him, then cut those 3, you are talking a combined 10-15 million less than those 4 cost us last year. Foster tagged and Meyers can fit in that number.

Where do you think you are allocating resources that help us more than Mario? Do we have some high impact way to spend that money that I don't know about? Any FA we try to go out and sign is going to involve even more overpaying than we would do to keep mario.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

Demeco Ryans $5+ million.
Jacoby Jones $3 million.

Drop Demeco and JJ and you have the year one cap number for Mario or very close to it if he signs a long term deal. Throw in Leinhart and look at it this way.

Cut Demeco, JJ, Leinhart. Franchise Mario (terrible deal, but just saying).

Less money than Demeco, JJ, Leinhart, Mario cost last year.

If you resign Mario rather than Franchising him, then cut those 3, you are talking a combined 10-15 million less than those 4 cost us last year. Foster tagged and Meyers can fit in that number.

Where do you think you are allocating resources that help us more than Mario? Do we have some high impact way to spend that money that I don't know about? Any FA we try to go out and sign is going to involve even more overpaying than we would do to keep mario.

I hear you, but it's just that I don't think Mario is worth the kind of money to the Texans it's expected he's gonna receive from the team that ultimately signs him, whether or not we could potentially put the deal together.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

I hear you, but it's just that I don't think Mario is worth the kind of money to the Texans it's expected he's gonna receive from the team that ultimately signs him, whether or not we could potentially put the deal together.

I agree he's not. But I also think that almost nobody who signs in the first half of FA is "worth" the money they get.

Letting go of Mario either allows us to overpay for someone else in FA, or it allows us to keep guys like Demeco/JJ/Leinhart (who are more overpaid). I guess I'd rather overpay Mario than anyone else we might get/keep. Not sure it works out that way, but I am just saying their is plenty of dead weight and bad contracts I'd look at long before letting Mario walk.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

Any FA we try to go out and sign is going to involve even more overpaying than we would do to keep mario.

This is about as concise as can be said.

[painekiller]

back on topic

26 Mohamed Sanu* WR Rutgers 6' 2" 218
58 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
89 Josh Chapman DT Alabama 6' 1" 310
121 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
153 Sammy Brown OLB Houston 6' 3" 240
184 Matt Reynolds OT BYU 6' 6" 325
216 Randy Bullock K Texas A&M 5' 9" 205

Not sold on Sanu, i love Zeitler, not a huge fan of Chapman.

I would look at this one a little differently

26 Stephen Hill* WR Georgia Tech 6' 5" 206
58 Shea McClellin OLB Boise State 6' 3" 262
89 Harrison Smith S Notre Dame 6' 2" 212
121 Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati 5' 10" 193
153 Donald Stephenson OT Oklahoma 6' 6" 309
184 Janzen Jackson CB McNeese State 6' 0" 182
216 William Vlachos OC Alabama 6' 1" 292

I like the size speed combo of Hill a lot more than I like Sanu. McClellin explodes across the line and would be an excellent addition to our OLB rotation. IMO there is no way Smith falls to us in the 3rd, he is a solid 2nd rounder that might creep into the 1st. You guys already know I like Pead in the 3rd so the 4th round was a no brainer for me. Stephenson showed quickness and we like quickness. Jackson comes with baggage and I do not see use taking him but he has talent.Vlachos had to block some monsters everyday in practice for the Tide so he is worth a 7th round pick.