Draft needs coming into focus

[jppaul]

1) DE:

With the Antonio Smith signed we are unlikely to draft a situational pass rusher in the first, just to have him play one out of three downs. The pass rusher need now seems to be a target of rounds 2-4. Maybe Micheal Johnson or Paul Kruger in the second, or Sidbury in the 3rd.

2) S:

With Eugene Wilson resigned, Ferguson still on the roster, and the coaching staff seemingly liking Barber at the SS position, this need seems substantially diminshed. I am not saying that they wouldn't take Jenkins if he fell to 15 but the pressure to draft a S is lessened. My guess is that they target this in rounds 2-4 also. Louis Delmas, Patrick Chung, and William Moore are likely to be targets in the second and Rashad Johnson a target in the third. I am sure Roy knows a safety likely to be targeted in the 4th if he wants to throw someone out there.

3) CB:

This position seems pretty well set. I think Reeves did a pretty good job last year, I was pleasantly surprised. D-Rob is solid, will be better next year (another year removed from the surgery), and is likely to be reupped since we have alot of cap space. Bennett had a good season, suffered from a bit of a sophomore slump, but I think did alright. We drafted Molden in the 3rd last year, and he is a great special teamer and I think was progressing in his development.

Therefore, we have 4 corners that I believe we are committed to, and since we only carry 4 or 5 on the roster, I don't think we are going to that position early in the draft. You might see them grab a practice squader in the 5-7 range though.

4) DT:

I think the staff will give Travis Johnson another year, he was solid if not good at NT, although he offers very little as a pass rusher, Antonio Smith has been said by some to kick inside on third downs where he is extremely effective. Think a poor man's Justin Tuck. Okoye had a down year becuase of his high ankle strain but started to look like himself during the last quarter of the season. Additionally another DT showed some promise near the end of teh season, Robinson maybe.

I don't think they go DT in the first 3 rounds, maybe the 4th or 5th if a value is available. Someone like Evander Hood falling or Ron Brace being available, both of these are longshots though, and they certainly won't reach for Peria Jerry in the first.

MLB: is set and I don't think they mess around with this until they draft a project in rounds 6 or 7. I don't think they will move Dryans because he seems a much better fit a MLB, where instincts are at a premium and athleticism is slightly downgraded (as compared to the Will where athleticism is at a premium.

OLB: This is the position where I think that they go in the first. I have been calling this one for a long time, although for various reasons. Adibi was solid in limited time, as was Diles, but I am not sure that either of them is the answer at either position. For Adibi the injury is just the latest in a string that caused his draft stock to drop. Not so for Diles, but at the Sam he has Bentley to back him up anyway. The depth here as well as the increased premium (presuming that is true) on the Will as opposed to the Sam (The will is where everybody puts thier impact players now, or so Barrett tells me), leads me to believe that we are going to draft an OLB, specifically a Will LB.

Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, and Laurinitis are options. Yes I know, Laurnitis is an ILB, yet he projects to be a good fit at the Will because of his athleticism. There are questions about Cushing because he is a workout warrior and seems a better fit at Sam, there are questions about Laurinitis because he declined the senior bowl invite.

There were questions about Clay Matthews' athleticism until he lit up the combine. He can pass rush, he can tackle, he can run, and his being a former walkon says something about his abilities, and for a defense that wasn't on the field all that much he scored some pretty good production. Oh and lets not forget his bloodlines. Bruce Matthews, etc. I found the following excerpt from a Scouts review of his performace against stanford, and it really seems to capture all that we want in a Will:

The most impressive thing about Matthews against Stanford was his overall range. He was able to wade through traffic without taking himself out of the play, and on a second-quarter toss play Matthews was able to shed a bigger blocker and go down low to make a tough open-field tackle on RB Toby Gerhart. He also showed good closing speed as he was able to run down ball carriers from the backside. Matthews was fluid in man coverage and ran step-for-step with backs on wheel routes out of the backfield. Matthews did struggle, however, when forced to play in a phone booth against bigger offensive tackles and failed to hold the edge consistently when Stanford ran straight at him.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/...=news&id=24669

I focused on defense but I will go through the offense later.

In sum, here is what I think:

1) Clay Matthews, OLB
2) Louis Delmas, S
3) Lawrence Sidbury, DE
4) Rashad Jennings, RB
4) Brandon Tate or Austin Collie, WR
5) Myron Pryor, DT
6) Ryan Stanchek, OL
7) Kawika Maiva, LB

For the record McClain agrees with me, but I pretty sure that is a strike against my credibility.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/02/s...exans_mig.html

[mussop]

Originally Posted by jppaul

1) DE:

With the Antonio Smith signed we are unlikely to draft a situational pass rusher in the first, just to have him play one out of three downs. The pass rusher need now seems to be a target of rounds 2-4. Maybe Micheal Johnson or Paul Kruger in the second, or Sidbury in the 3rd.

2) S:

With Eugene Wilson resigned, Ferguson still on the roster, and the coaching staff seemingly liking Barber at the SS position, this need seems substantially diminshed. I am not saying that they wouldn't take Jenkins if he fell to 15 but the pressure to draft a S is lessened. My guess is that they target this in rounds 2-4 also. Louis Delmas, Patrick Chung, and William Moore are likely to be targets in the second and Rashad Johnson a target in the third. I am sure Roy knows a safety likely to be targeted in the 4th if he wants to throw someone out there.

3) CB:

This position seems pretty well set. I think Reeves did a pretty good job last year, I was pleasantly surprised. D-Rob is solid, will be better next year (another year removed from the surgery), and is likely to be reupped since we have alot of cap space. Bennett had a good season, suffered from a bit of a sophomore slump, but I think did alright. We drafted Molden in the 3rd last year, and he is a great special teamer and I think was progressing in his development.

Therefore, we have 4 corners that I believe we are committed to, and since we only carry 4 or 5 on the roster, I don't think we are going to that position early in the draft. You might see them grab a practice squader in the 5-7 range though.

4) DT:

I think the staff will give Travis Johnson another year, he was solid if not good at NT, although he offers very little as a pass rusher, Antonio Smith has been said by some to kick inside on third downs where he is extremely effective. Think a poor man's Justin Tuck. Okoye had a down year becuase of his high ankle strain but started to look like himself during the last quarter of the season. Additionally another DT showed some promise near the end of teh season, Robinson maybe.

I don't think they go DT in the first 3 rounds, maybe the 4th or 5th if a value is available. Someone like Evander Hood falling or Ron Brace being available, both of these are longshots though, and they certainly won't reach for Peria Jerry in the first.

MLB: is set and I don't think they mess around with this until they draft a project in rounds 6 or 7. I don't think they will move Dryans because he seems a much better fit a MLB, where instincts are at a premium and athleticism is slightly downgraded (as compared to the Will where athleticism is at a premium.

OLB: This is the position where I think that they go in the first. I have been calling this one for a long time, although for various reasons. Adibi was solid in limited time, as was Diles, but I am not sure that either of them is the answer at either position. For Adibi the injury is just the latest in a string that caused his draft stock to drop. Not so for Diles, but at the Sam he has Bentley to back him up anyway. The depth here as well as the increased premium (presuming that is true) on the Will as opposed to the Sam (The will is where everybody puts thier impact players now, or so Barrett tells me), leads me to believe that we are going to draft an OLB, specifically a Will LB.

Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, and Laurinitis are options. Yes I know, Laurnitis is an ILB, yet he projects to be a good fit at the Will because of his athleticism. There are questions about Cushing because he is a workout warrior and seems a better fit at Sam, there are questions about Laurinitis because he declined the senior bowl invite.

There were questions about Clay Matthews' athleticism until he lit up the combine. He can pass rush, he can tackle, he can run, and his being a former walkon says something about his abilities, and for a defense that wasn't on the field all that much he scored some pretty good production. Oh and lets not forget his bloodlines. Bruce Matthews, etc. I found the following excerpt from a Scouts review of his performace against stanford, and it really seems to capture all that we want in a Will:

The most impressive thing about Matthews against Stanford was his overall range. He was able to wade through traffic without taking himself out of the play, and on a second-quarter toss play Matthews was able to shed a bigger blocker and go down low to make a tough open-field tackle on RB Toby Gerhart. He also showed good closing speed as he was able to run down ball carriers from the backside. Matthews was fluid in man coverage and ran step-for-step with backs on wheel routes out of the backfield. Matthews did struggle, however, when forced to play in a phone booth against bigger offensive tackles and failed to hold the edge consistently when Stanford ran straight at him.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/...=news&id=24669

I focused on defense but I will go through the offense later.

In sum, here is what I think:

1) Clay Matthews, OLB
2) Louis Delmas, S
3) Lawrence Sidbury, DE
4) BPA
4) BPA
5) BPA
6) BPA
7) BPA

I hope we sign Ward even though this is a pretty good draft to get a RB in the later rounds. He would really complement Slaton well. Then we could use the later picks to focus on improving weak spots like a slot WR and more depth on the lines. Something like this

1) Clay Matthews, OLB
2) Louis Delmas, S
3) Lawrence Sidbury, DE
4) WR Jarett Dillard WR Andersons replacement, perfect for the slot
4) DT Sammie Lee Hill More meat in the middle in case Okam flops
5) OL Selvish Capers ZB specialist
6) OL Ryan Stanchek ZB specialist
7) LB Kaluka Maiava Insurance for Adibi

[jppaul]

I like the Dillard pick, as well as the depth at O-line and USC LB. I think he is underrated. I finished up the earlier post.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by jppaul

1) DE:



In sum, here is what I think:

1) Clay Matthews, OLB
2) Louis Delmas, S
3) Lawrence Sidbury, DE
4) Rashad Jennings, RB
4) Brandon Tate or Austin Collie, WR
5) Myron Pryor, DT
6) Ryan Stanchek, OL
7) Kawika Maiva, LB

For the record McClain agrees with me, but I pretty sure that is a strike against my credibility.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/02/s...exans_mig.html

I like the Mattews and Delmas picks. I love the Sidbury and Jennings picks.

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by jppaul

1) DE:

With the Antonio Smith signed we are unlikely to draft a situational pass rusher in the first, just to have him play one out of three downs. The pass rusher need now seems to be a target of rounds 2-4. Maybe Micheal Johnson or Paul Kruger in the second, or Sidbury in the 3rd.

2) S:

With Eugene Wilson resigned, Ferguson still on the roster, and the coaching staff seemingly liking Barber at the SS position, this need seems substantially diminshed. I am not saying that they wouldn't take Jenkins if he fell to 15 but the pressure to draft a S is lessened. My guess is that they target this in rounds 2-4 also. Louis Delmas, Patrick Chung, and William Moore are likely to be targets in the second and Rashad Johnson a target in the third. I am sure Roy knows a safety likely to be targeted in the 4th if he wants to throw someone out there.

3) CB:

This position seems pretty well set. I think Reeves did a pretty good job last year, I was pleasantly surprised. D-Rob is solid, will be better next year (another year removed from the surgery), and is likely to be reupped since we have alot of cap space. Bennett had a good season, suffered from a bit of a sophomore slump, but I think did alright. We drafted Molden in the 3rd last year, and he is a great special teamer and I think was progressing in his development.

Therefore, we have 4 corners that I believe we are committed to, and since we only carry 4 or 5 on the roster, I don't think we are going to that position early in the draft. You might see them grab a practice squader in the 5-7 range though.

4) DT:

I think the staff will give Travis Johnson another year, he was solid if not good at NT, although he offers very little as a pass rusher, Antonio Smith has been said by some to kick inside on third downs where he is extremely effective. Think a poor man's Justin Tuck. Okoye had a down year becuase of his high ankle strain but started to look like himself during the last quarter of the season. Additionally another DT showed some promise near the end of teh season, Robinson maybe.

I don't think they go DT in the first 3 rounds, maybe the 4th or 5th if a value is available. Someone like Evander Hood falling or Ron Brace being available, both of these are longshots though, and they certainly won't reach for Peria Jerry in the first.

MLB: is set and I don't think they mess around with this until they draft a project in rounds 6 or 7. I don't think they will move Dryans because he seems a much better fit a MLB, where instincts are at a premium and athleticism is slightly downgraded (as compared to the Will where athleticism is at a premium.

OLB: This is the position where I think that they go in the first. I have been calling this one for a long time, although for various reasons. Adibi was solid in limited time, as was Diles, but I am not sure that either of them is the answer at either position. For Adibi the injury is just the latest in a string that caused his draft stock to drop. Not so for Diles, but at the Sam he has Bentley to back him up anyway. The depth here as well as the increased premium (presuming that is true) on the Will as opposed to the Sam (The will is where everybody puts thier impact players now, or so Barrett tells me), leads me to believe that we are going to draft an OLB, specifically a Will LB.

Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, and Laurinitis are options. Yes I know, Laurnitis is an ILB, yet he projects to be a good fit at the Will because of his athleticism. There are questions about Cushing because he is a workout warrior and seems a better fit at Sam, there are questions about Laurinitis because he declined the senior bowl invite.

There were questions about Clay Matthews' athleticism until he lit up the combine. He can pass rush, he can tackle, he can run, and his being a former walkon says something about his abilities, and for a defense that wasn't on the field all that much he scored some pretty good production. Oh and lets not forget his bloodlines. Bruce Matthews, etc. I found the following excerpt from a Scouts review of his performace against stanford, and it really seems to capture all that we want in a Will:

The most impressive thing about Matthews against Stanford was his overall range. He was able to wade through traffic without taking himself out of the play, and on a second-quarter toss play Matthews was able to shed a bigger blocker and go down low to make a tough open-field tackle on RB Toby Gerhart. He also showed good closing speed as he was able to run down ball carriers from the backside. Matthews was fluid in man coverage and ran step-for-step with backs on wheel routes out of the backfield. Matthews did struggle, however, when forced to play in a phone booth against bigger offensive tackles and failed to hold the edge consistently when Stanford ran straight at him.

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I think this is a wonderful summary of our defensive needs. I am optimistic about our defense's chances to be better this year because I think we can improve our pressure on the passer. If our new DE can get pressure by moving inside on passing downs, that will go a long way toward making us better. Normally a team shouldn't expect too much help from rookies, but I think our pass rush was so anemic last year that I can't help but believe that in the draft we can find both a speed rushing DE and a speedy OLB who can help our pass rush immediately.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by jppaul

S:

I am sure Roy knows a safety likely to be targeted in the 4th if he wants to throw someone out there.

Late S prospects that intrigue me include:
Rashad Johnson Alabama
Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
C.J. Spillman Marshall
Chris Clemons Clemson
David Bruton Notre Dame
Darcell McBath Texas Tech
Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.

[jppaul]

Of those I think Rashad Johnson is my favorite. Then again Alabama defense has worked out for us before.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Late S prospects that intrigue me include:
Rashad Johnson Alabama
Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
C.J. Spillman Marshall
Chris Clemons Clemson
David Bruton Notre Dame
Darcell McBath Texas Tech
Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.

If either of Rashad Johnson Alabama or Darcell McBath Texas Tech are available in the 4th I would love for us to draft one of them.

[jppaul]

Bruton seemed more an elite special teamer/5 or 6 rounder. Don't know much about McBath.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by jppaul

Bruton seemed more an elite special teamer/5 or 6 rounder. Don't know much about McBath.

2009 ALL-RANG'S GANG: Free Safety: Darcell McBath, Texas Tech: Just as I favor moving collegiate tackles inside to guard in the NFL, I like the idea of former collegiate cornerbacks with instincts, size and reliable tackling ability moving to safety. McBath already made this transition and is one of the better, if underrated, safeties in the draft. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

02/10/09 - NFL Draft Scout Risers: Darcel McBath, FS, Texas Tech: Perhaps because so much attention was heaped upon the Texas Tech offense throughout the year, many scouts entered the East-West Shrine practices willing to acknowledge that McBath was a nice player, but a late rounder at best. That talk ended after scouts came away impressed with McBath's instincts and physicality early in the week. A tweaked hamstring limited him later in the week and ultimately kept him out of the game itself, limiting the exposure McBath received from the game. Still, scouts were impressed enough to pop back in the film on the three-time all-conference pick and now view him as a legitimate middle-round prospect. - Rob Rang, The SportsXchange, NFLDraftScout.com

[HPF Bob]

Unless they sign someone, I expect a RB to compliment Slaton to be one of the picks in the Rounds 3-4 range. If they do sign a guy like Benson, I still think they'll draft a RB but it may not be until the last three rounds.

That's really the only position on offense where I'm looking. The rest would all be defense.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

That's really the only position on offense where I'm looking. The rest would all be defense.

An In-line TE might be on the list for late in the draft. For those not familiar with this term, Bruener was an In-Line TE, they are mainly blockers.

[jppaul]

Would you say the same thing if we lost David Anderson?

[mussop]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Unless they sign someone, I expect a RB to compliment Slaton to be one of the picks in the Rounds 3-4 range. If they do sign a guy like Benson, I still think they'll draft a RB but it may not be until the last three rounds.

That's really the only position on offense where I'm looking. The rest would all be defense.

Do you think teams realistically go into the draft thinking this way? I just cant see it.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

Do you think teams realistically go into the draft thinking this way? I just cant see it.

I think it may alter the way they set up a draft board. They might have a RB, TE, WR, and DE with a 3rd round pick grade, then adjust the players by position of need when ranking them. I'm not quite sure they go into the draft saying, "we are going to take the best RB in the 3rd round because we want one" because it is too difficult to forecast who will be available. There may be a player at a different position that was given a 2nd round grade still on the board when the 3rd round pick comes up. Even if that 2nd round graded prospect is at a position that is not a priority, it would be foolish to pass on them in order to simply fill a "need" and that's what gets teams in trouble.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by jppaul

1) Clay Matthews, OLB
2) Louis Delmas, S
3) Lawrence Sidbury, DE
4) Rashad Jennings, RB
4) Brandon Tate or Austin Collie, WR
5) Myron Pryor, DT
6) Ryan Stanchek, OL
7) Kawika Maiva, LB

For the record McClain agrees with me, but I pretty sure that is a strike against my credibility.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/02/s...exans_mig.html

I have come to the same conclusion about round 1. I think Matthews is the target, the question is will we need to draft him at 15 or can we drop down a handfull of picks and still secure him. Mattews will upgrade our WILL, and he can be used as a handdown pass rusher on occasion, allowing for some interesting player combinations on 3rd and long. Now If I take Maiva and Matthews then Matthews should be the SAM, with different packages assignments for the nickle. Maiva is a high football IQ who has been lost because of the ascension of Matthews. This would be a good thing for our team.

[jppaul]

Seems pretty clear that we are going to go RB in round 3 or 4. Probably 3, because as tense as Kubiak seems about this he doesn't seem to want to wait any longer than he has to.

Possible Round 3 RBs

Shonn Greene
Rashad Jennings
Glenn Coffee
Javon Ringer
Andre Brown

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by jppaul

2) S:

With Eugene Wilson resigned, Ferguson still on the roster, and the coaching staff seemingly liking Barber at the SS position, this need seems substantially diminshed.


3) CB:

This position seems pretty well set.

OLB: This is the position where I think that they go in the first.

Interesting Prisco article.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11543464

LB: Middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans is one of the best in the league -- he is a tackling machine. The players next to him are young and have ability in Zach Diles and Xavier Adibi. They could use help there. There is some depth with Kevin Bentley and Chaun Thompson.

Secondary: They franchised Dunta Robinson, which means he's back as the starter at one corner. The other is a spot that needs an upgrade. Fred Bennett and Jacques Reeves will compete, but expect to see a high pick on a corner. Safeties Eugene Wilson and Nick Ferguson are just OK. They need help there.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Interesting Prisco article.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11543464

LB: Middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans is one of the best in the league -- he is a tackling machine. The players next to him are young and have ability in Zach Diles and Xavier Adibi. They could use help there. There is some depth with Kevin Bentley and Chaun Thompson.

Secondary: They franchised Dunta Robinson, which means he's back as the starter at one corner. The other is a spot that needs an upgrade. Fred Bennett and Jacques Reeves will compete, but expect to see a high pick on a corner. Safeties Eugene Wilson and Nick Ferguson are just OK. They need help there.

For me, one of the problems with drafting Lbs high this season is that, barring injury, a team rarely uses more than 4 over the course of entire game-sometimes only the three starters (depending on whether there is a nickel replacement). Meanwhile, though a base defense has only 2 CBs, almost every game you will see 4 CBs get extensive playing time... Similarly, though we start 4 DL, it's likely that 7 or 8 make an impact in a game.

So, while Adibi and Diles have some questions, I think their promise is enough that a high round pick on a LB may only marginally improve the team. Meanwhile, a high pick at DE, DT, CB, S all can significantly improve the team, even if the starters stay healthy and the rookies are unable to unseat them... If we draft Cushing in round one, it's possible that he doesnt beat out Diles or Adibi and therefore will only see the field because of injury or because he's been pressed on the field due to his draft position and salary cap number.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

For me, one of the problems with drafting Lbs high this season is that, barring injury, a team rarely uses more than 4 over the course of entire game-sometimes only the three starters (depending on whether there is a nickel replacement). Meanwhile, though a base defense has only 2 CBs, almost every game you will see 4 CBs get extensive playing time... Similarly, though we start 4 DL, it's likely that 7 or 8 make an impact in a game.

So, while Adibi and Diles have some questions, I think their promise is enough that a high round pick on a LB may only marginally improve the team. Meanwhile, a high pick at DE, DT, CB, S all can significantly improve the team, even if the starters stay healthy and the rookies are unable to unseat them... If we draft Cushing in round one, it's possible that he doesnt beat out Diles or Adibi and therefore will only see the field because of injury or because he's been pressed on the field due to his draft position and salary cap number.

Good point.

I don't know about ya'll, but something just doesn't make any sense if you really think about it. If I was Kubiak, would I give an interview before the draft to say what my true intentions were in the upcoming draft??? I don't think so. Unless I want to put some pressure on the teams picking before me, or I don't value my head coaching job.


I'm hoping it's the former. There are several teams like Buff, N.O.,Green Bay, Denver, and Washington who all need LB's and all draft before us. So Kubiak gets McClain to say we're gonna target Matthews, and even pushing the "3rd best offense" load as well. (Maybe so on YPG, but it's meaningless if we're still not in the playoffs and we still have trouble scoring in goalline situations.) Kubiak then gives an interview to say we're looking at OLB's. He couldn't just come out and say were looking at Matthews because noone would believe him. He also says they'd be "hard pressed" to take an offensive player. It just seemed too desperate to be real, why would you tell the whole world you intentions.

If Kubiak was really targeting Matthews, don't you think he would have put a muzzle on JM weeks ago. And what struck me as odd was McClain saying in his chat that he would never say who we were targeting because there are teams reading his blog, blah, blah, blah...
I remember watching him on NFLHD, and thinking to myself, you sure sound very confident saying that, almost too sure, as if you were instructed or otherwise advised.

I take that as we are probably looking at RB's early if thats his best value at 15, or trade down and see whats available. I know Beanie has to be very tempting for the Texans, and is undervalued right now, so Kubiak is for all accounts tring to keep it that way by focusing all the attention on the LB's. He's got the nastiest stiff arm I've seen, is strong as an ox, and only missed 3 games his entire carreer at OSU, although you wouldn't know it from all the rumors and false info out there.

If we trade down, I have to believe it's to take Darius Butler out of Conn.

Just my 2 cents.