rookie signings

[painekiller]

Just to head off the usual what are they doing post. I have been keeping a list of the rookie signing during the Kubiak era.

It appears we are on schedule IMO.

Rookie Signing Dates

2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
Antoine Caldwell(3)
Glover Quinn (4a)
James Casey (5)
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams

[Nconroe]

Is it quieter this year in Texans news than past couple years, or am I just more impatient this year? maybe it will start this week going by the signing history you gave.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Is it quieter this year in Texans news than past couple years, or am I just more impatient this year? maybe it will start this week going by the signing history you gave.

Last year we started camp on the 25th, this year not until the 31st, I am sure this has a little to do with our impatience.

If you look it seems that most guys are signed during the last 7 days before camp starts.

[nunusguy]

But to complicate the rookie signing process the Texans obviously have other considerations this year they haven't had in the past with the ongoing contract negotiations involving key veterans DeMeco & OD and the whole D-Rob drama. Smith and staff only have so much time in each day and these
other situations may delay the completion of signing all rookies in 2009, especially by the beginning of TC ?

[NBT]

I wish they would hurry up and sign the rest of the draftees. But I know it will be the last week before TC before it finally heats up and comes to a boil.

[nunusguy]

I realize these contracts have many parameters and to a degree all are
unigue in certain aspects, but on the other hand there's got to be a certain
degree of standarization for many of the terms. I guess I dunno why it takes
so long ? I mean once there's an agreement in priciple about the basic terms, does it still take that long to dot the "is" and cross the "ts" ?

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

I realize these contracts have many parameters and to a degree all are
unigue in certain aspects, but on the other hand there's got to be a certain
degree of standarization for many of the terms. I guess I dunno why it takes
so long ? I mean once there's an agreement in priciple about the basic terms, does it still take that long to dot the "is" and cross the "ts" ?

I wonder if this is precisely why the deals are put off until just before training camp. If the team knows that they can reach a deal pretty easily when necessary, seems it would make sense to let McNair keep his signing bonus money for as long as possible. Also, I don't know the answer to this, but there may be some concerns about having guys get injured while under contract. For example, assume a 3rd round pick signs in late May. Does anyone know whether he would be entitled to any different compensation if he were to blow his knee out while, say, training on his own than if he wasn't signed?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I wonder if this is precisely why the deals are put off until just before training camp. If the team knows that they can reach a deal pretty easily when necessary, seems it would make sense to let McNair keep his signing bonus money for as long as possible. Also, I don't know the answer to this, but there may be some concerns about having guys get injured while under contract. For example, assume a 3rd round pick signs in late May. Does anyone know whether he would be entitled to any different compensation if he were to blow his knee out while, say, training on his own than if he wasn't signed?

That what I was thinking was the cause for the late date. This way no late minute injury or mishap with the law get in the way of the player completing the contract.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I wonder if this is precisely why the deals are put off until just before training camp. If the team knows that they can reach a deal pretty easily when necessary, seems it would make sense to let McNair keep his signing bonus money for as long as possible. Also, I don't know the answer to this, but there may be some concerns about having guys get injured while under contract. For example, assume a 3rd round pick signs in late May. Does anyone know whether he would be entitled to any different compensation if he were to blow his knee out while, say, training on his own than if he wasn't signed?

Yep, this is what my answer would be.

As for injury pay... those are gray-ish scenarios. Iirc there is boiler-plate type language in contracts that talks about non-football injuries. These come up from time to time, like when a player blows out a knee playing beach games (Robert Edwards) or riding motorcycles (The Chosen One).

In the case of Edwards, I don't think the Pats owed him anything. Even though the injury occured in an NFL properties sponsored event, Edwards signed some waiver. As for K2, the Browns had special language in the contract against high-risk activities, so I think they were in a position where they could call for a breach of contract and recoup prorated bonus money. Instead, I think they just used it as leverage to renegotiate the contract to make it more incentive-based.

[WMH]

Looks like they signed Quinn. From the Chronic:

Cornerback Glover Quin, one of the Texans' two fourth-round draft picks, has agreed to a four-year contract.

When Quin signs and makes it official Friday, he will become the fourth draft choice to sign, joining tight end Anthony Hill (fourth round), cornerback Brice McCain (sixth) and safety Troy Nolan (seventh). Quin, who played at New Mexico, will be the nickel cornerback when training camp begins on July 31. He'll compete for playing time behind starters Jacques Reeves and Fred Bennett.

Draft choices who are unsigned are linebacker Brian Cushing (first), defensive end Connor Barwin (second), center Antoine Caldwell (third) and tight end James Casey (fifth).

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by WMH

Looks like they signed Quinn. From the Chronic:

Draft choices who are unsigned are linebacker Brian Cushing (first), defensive end Connor Barwin (second), center Antoine Caldwell (third) and tight end James Casey (fifth).

Thanks for the update. Here is the link for those that want to know

Interesting that Casey, who has been called higher round talent is still not signed. Might he be a problem? Not likely.

[NBT]

I like Casey, think he might turn out to eventually be in the same caliber with Owen Daniels. Having said that though, why would he think he should be considered like a higher draft pick?A fifth is a fifth! I think he will eventually come to his senses and sign his contract. Just not quite sure why he hasn't already.

Great news hearing of the Glover Quin signing.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by NBT

I like Casey, think he might turn out to eventually be in the same caliber with Owen Daniels. Having said that though, why would he think he should be considered like a higher draft pick?A fifth is a fifth! I think he will eventually come to his senses and sign his contract. Just not quite sure why he hasn't already.

That can be answered in one word.....Agents.....

Do you remember that crap that Gaffney's agent pulled, since he was the first pick of the 2nd round? "He is the 33rd pick of the first round" or something like that. It was complete BS.

Hopefully, Casey is of higher character than that. He sure seems to be, and is excited to be here. With the exception of Cushing, I think the rest of the domino's will fall next week. IMO, Cushing/Cushing's agent will wait for the slots to start filling in. I can't imagine that anyone in that game wants to "blink first."

[Keith]

According to a league source, the former University of New Mexico defensive back signed a four-year deal worth $2.24 million. The deal also includes a signing bonus of roughly $490,000.

http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=1...=4351599&fhn=1

[NBT]

I wonder what Casey's agent is waiting for? I know from his diary on the main board that he is aware that Quin has signed his contract. The Texans seem to be going in reverse order from where the rookie was drafted so if I were Casey I would be asking my agent why I haven't had my contract signing.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by NBT

I wonder what Casey's agent is waiting for? I know from his diary on the main board that he is aware that Quin has signed his contract. The Texans seem to be going in reverse order from where the rookie was drafted so if I were Casey I would be asking my agent why I haven't had my contract signing.

And he said they where starting to work on it, he thought. Casey said also that he expected to sign any day now.

[Mike]

Two more in the fold. Now we need Cush, Barwin and deals for OD and Demeco.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6546038.html

[NBT]

That'a great Casey & Caldwell are in the fold. TC has already started today for Cleveland, so football is just around the corner.

[painekiller]

& days and 2 more to go, nice job by Rick Smith and Co.

Updated list:

2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
July 27 (3) Antoine Caldwell
July 27 (5) James Casey
July 17 (4a) Glover Quinn
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams

[NBT]

Now let's get #1 & #2 signed and get on to TC. This should be our breakthrough year. I am starting to get excited.