Official Texans @ Jaguars Game Thread, 10/18/2015

[popanot]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Isn't there 2 years to go after this season before his rookie contract is up ?

Yes. And if the next 2 years go like the first 2, where will we be as far as extending? If it's that bad the answer would be not to extend, but I'd prefer to see some good progress from here on so we know for sure if we have a player or not.

[Arky]

Early line has the Dolphins as a 4.5 to 5 pt favorite next week....

[nunusguy]

Yesterdays OLine started with Duane Brown @ LT and Ben Jones @ center, so that's no change, but here's where it gets interesting - Newt moved from RT to RG and new guy FA Chris Clark replaced Newt @ RT, regular RG Brandon Brooks started @ LG where they've been playing newly acquired FA Obay Aboushi. So looks like that was all about plugging somebody in at LG and don't know what happened to Aboushi ? I'm wondering if 2nd round pick in 2014 LG Xavior Sui-Ofila is ever gonna get on the field again this year ?
Oline only gave up 1 sack and the teams rushed for 95 yards yesterday, so it was a so-so day for the Oline stat-wise.

[WMH]

If we could get that kind of output from Hoyer each week, we might actually be competitive.

But, if Hoyer was able to produce that kind of output each week, this might not be his 8th team in 6 years.......

Maybe some where in the middle?

Definitely didn't see anything from Bortles to make we desire a swap for him a Clowney. He made some really stupid decisions, and likely cost his team a W. We have enough of that here already.

Good to see Foster with a little step here and there. He has a knack for finding space where there isn't any.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by WMH

Definitely didn't see anything from Bortles to make we desire a swap for him a Clowney. He made some really stupid decisions, and likely cost his team a W. We have enough of that here already.

Bortles looked like a turd, but don't underestimate how crappy his tutelage has been in Jacksonville. Could be homerism, but I think O'Brien has better success with Bortles. Who was the last young QB the Jags ever matriculated? And do the Jags have any running game whatsoever, much less someone as talented as Arian Foster to help?

The Jags are in year 2 of developing their rookie QB, and they'll be in year 3 when the Texans will likely be starting over in 2016. And that extra time makes a difference... Bortles TD-INT ratio has flipped since his rookie year, from 11:17 to 13:7 after yesterday.

And I'll just leave this here:

Games played
Clowney - 9
Bortles - 20

Point isn't about Bortles specifically. The point is the Texans completely ignored the QB position when taking Clowney in the 2014 draft when they should have taken their favorite QB before the 4th round. Bortles is imperfect. His passing accuracy seems to be his biggest failing. But yeah, I'd rather have Year 2 Bortles than Year 2 Clowney.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Keith

Bortles looked like a turd, but don't underestimate how crappy his tutelage has been in Jacksonville. Could be homerism, but I think O'Brien has better success with Bortles. Who was the last young QB the Jags ever matriculated? And do the Jags have any running game whatsoever, much less someone as talented as Arian Foster to help?

The Jags are in year 2 of developing their rookie QB, and they'll be in year 3 when the Texans will likely be starting over in 2016. And that extra time makes a difference... Bortles TD-INT ratio has flipped since his rookie year, from 11:17 to 13:7 after yesterday.

And I'll just leave this here:

Games played
Clowney - 9
Bortles - 20

Point isn't about Bortles specifically. The point is the Texans completely ignored the QB position when taking Clowney in the 2014 draft when they should have taken their favorite QB before the 4th round. Bortles is imperfect. His passing accuracy seems to be his biggest failing. But yeah, I'd rather have Year 2 Bortles than Year 2 Clowney.

I'd rather have unnamed QB in year 2 than Clowney (Carr, Bridgewater, even Manziel). But Bortles is awful. He had 3 INTs yesterday plus 1 cancelled by a bogus penalty, a few others thrown to defenders and dropped, and about 4 passes he just lofted up into play as some kind of cross between a throw away and an attempt at a pass. That is more than bad tutelage. He was a workout warrior who looked good in shorts and never belonged in the 1st round. O'Brien may have worked miracles here with Fitzpatrick, Mallett, Savage, and Hoyer, but even the great BOB could not make chicken salad out of Bortles.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by Keith

Bortles looked like a turd, but don't underestimate how crappy his tutelage has been in Jacksonville. Could be homerism, but I think O'Brien has better success with Bortles. Who was the last young QB the Jags ever matriculated? And do the Jags have any running game whatsoever, much less someone as talented as Arian Foster to help?

The Jags are in year 2 of developing their rookie QB, and they'll be in year 3 when the Texans will likely be starting over in 2016. And that extra time makes a difference... Bortles TD-INT ratio has flipped since his rookie year, from 11:17 to 13:7 after yesterday.

And I'll just leave this here:

Games played
Clowney - 9
Bortles - 20

Point isn't about Bortles specifically. The point is the Texans completely ignored the QB position when taking Clowney in the 2014 draft when they should have taken their favorite QB before the 4th round. Bortles is imperfect. His passing accuracy seems to be his biggest failing. But yeah, I'd rather have Year 2 Bortles than Year 2 Clowney.

Understand your point of view, but don't agree with it. I don't think you pick a top end QB just because. Clowney was (allegedly) a once in a blue moon prospect. He has shown some flashes of his physical ability when he's played. He's had some pretty crappy luck, none of which could have been known at draft time. He's basically a rookie. If he can ever stay healthy, an that's obviously a big IF, he has the potential to be a stud.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks not having a franchise QB. This is a QB driven league, and until we fall into one, its going to be a scramble. But so far, the only potential miss I've seen from OB's QB crop from the last couple of drafts might be Carr, and that's the best of whats available. The rest look mediocre, guys that will hang in the league for a couple of years and eventually get a coach fired.

[Keith]

FWIW, I keep using Bortles in these posts since he was the first QB taken when Clowney was picked, and the Texans were rumored to have interest in Bortles in a trade down scenario that never materialized. Personally, I was in favor of Bridgewater in the first round of all the QBs available.

Originally Posted by WMH

I don't think you pick a top end QB just because.

The David Carr vs. Julius Peppers and the Vince Young vs. Mario Williams debates definitely support that. In both of those scenarios the DE was better than the top QB taken, and the selections of Carr and Young arguably set both franchises back years.

But 2014 is different from 2002 and 2006, and even if you didn't like the first QB selected, the reality is this:

Originally Posted by WMH

This is a QB driven league

Kinda like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, at the base of the NFL version of this pyramid is a franchise QB. Sucks you need a QB to win in this league, but with all of the rule changes to promote offense, this is more true now than it even was in 2002 and 2006.

Originally Posted by WMH

The rest look mediocre, guys that will hang in the league for a couple of years and eventually get a coach fired.

Mallett and Hoyer are doing a fine job helping O'Brien inch closer to being fired, especially if the solution in 2016 is still to use the draft to find the QB needed to be successful.