Official Texans vs. Chiefs Game Thread, 09/13/2015

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Keith

He did alright. He still has some quickness. Took down Jamaal Charles from behind. Mentally, he's lacking. I'm chalking that up right now to him essentially still being a rookie, but he had an entire year as a pro when he should have been soaking up the mental aspects of the game.


He is not good playing the run. He and Clowney don't really seem to contain the edge well, but maybe the D doesn't ask them to do this? All things considered, this will be the healthiest game Charles plays all season, and he didn't blow them up at least, especially in a game where the Chiefs had a comfortable lead almost all game.


I wanted Mallett much earlier. Check the ItB twitter timeline yesterday, lol.

That said, we have to keep in mind that Mallett basically entered the game in garbage time, and the TD to Hop was essentially considered as garbage time points in the fantasy football realm. The Chiefs weren't in a prevent, but they were giving out cushions bigger than Mattress Mack in the 4th quarter.

It was garbage time, but the switch is far more about what Hoyer isn't. The guy completed less than 60% in college, less than 60% as a pro, less than 60% last year, and less than 60% yesterday. I don't know where anyone gets the idea he is the steady and consistent vet. He is a scattershot QB who can't throw it where he wants, and doesn't always know where he wants it (INT #1 yesterday). He is a huge downgrade from Fitzpatrick in every possible way. Last year Fitz was 63% and better than 2:1 TD:INT ratio. Hoyer was 55% and worse than 1:1. He has no business getting a starting NFL job.

This team goes nowhere with our QBs. We are wasting time. O'Brien knows he has an unlimited leash so he is apparently waiting for the QB of his choosing. There is wisdom in that, but it means we will not play a meaningful football game in 2015.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

It was garbage time, but the switch is far more about what Hoyer isn't. The guy completed less than 60% in college, less than 60% as a pro, less than 60% last year, and less than 60% yesterday. I don't know where anyone gets the idea he is the steady and consistent vet. He is a scattershot QB who can't throw it where he wants, and doesn't always know where he wants it (INT #1 yesterday). He is a huge downgrade from Fitzpatrick in every possible way. Last year Fitz was 63% and better than 2:1 TD:INT ratio. Hoyer was 55% and worse than 1:1. He has no business getting a starting NFL job.

This team goes nowhere with our QBs. We are wasting time. O'Brien knows he has an unlimited leash so he is apparently waiting for the QB of his choosing. There is wisdom in that, but it means we will not play a meaningful football game in 2015.

Sounds to me like you just made an indictment about O'briens lack of football knowledge, specifically his knowlege about QBbs which I thought was supposed to be his strength. You are saying that Mallet is not only better than Hoyers, but we already had a guy here last year (Fitzy), who was better than Hoyer. In other words, I think you are saying O'brien is in over his head.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Sounds to me like you just made an indictment about O'briens lack of football knowledge, specifically his knowlege about QBbs which I thought was supposed to be his strength. You are saying that Mallet is not only better than Hoyers, but we already had a guy here last year (Fitzy), who was better than Hoyer. In other words, I think you are saying O'brien is in over his head.

You mean when this team entered the season with Hoyer as our starting QB you didn't question it?

I was very clear that I think O'Brien is biding his time, turning over the roster, and waiting for the QB he wants to come along. He feels no pressure to pick an actual QB because he has no job pressure. If you take a QB high in the draft the clock starts running and you get fired when that clock runs out. When you just punt the QB position, there is no clock and no risk to your job (assuming your owner allows you to throw away seasons without even a potential QB answer).

I think O'Brien is shrewd and doing what's best for himself by not going all in for a QB the last two years, when he apparently didn't like anything available in the draft or FA. Most teams try to force a QB just to pretend there is progress (JAX drafting Bortles last year). But our owner has no problem throwing away seasons as long as our fans keep showing up, so O'Brien gets to keep waiting for his perfect 10 to come along.

I think it is shameful for us to throw away seasons and waste JJ Watt's HOF career, but I don't blame Bill O'Brien, I am sure O'Brien was very clear up front when he was hired that he didn't like any of last year's draft class and might not like any of this year's. There is no way he is going into a season with no QB unless he knows his owner is ok with it.

[Joshua]

So all we have to do now is wait for a wart-free QB to fall to us in the draft then we're set? No one ever reaches for even wart-covered QBs in the NFL draft so this plan is fool proof and backed by years of draft history. Great strategy.

[popanot]

Well, in addition to QB, we're apparently screwed if/when Foster ever leaves or is hurt. It's becoming increasingly obvious to me that Blue is not the future. Sheesh, pick up a tough yard man!! Judging by the 2nd half and how often Grimes and Polk were in there, it looked to me like Hoyer wasn't the only one benched

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

Well, in addition to QB, we're apparently screwed if/when Foster ever leaves or is hurt. It's becoming increasingly obvious to me that Blue is not the future. Sheesh, pick up a tough yard man!! Judging by the 2nd half and how often Grimes and Polk were in there, it looked to me like Hoyer wasn't the only one benched

I don't think Blue should ever be a lead back. He does enough things well he is a great guy to have on a roster (runs, catches, plays ST). But we barely tried running the ball yesterday, and when we did we averaged over 4 ypc. We just abandoned the run due to the early deficit.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

You mean when this team entered the season with Hoyer as our starting QB you didn't question it?

I was very clear that I think O'Brien is biding his time, turning over the roster, and waiting for the QB he wants to come along. He feels no pressure to pick an actual QB because he has no job pressure. If you take a QB high in the draft the clock starts running and you get fired when that clock runs out. When you just punt the QB position, there is no clock and no risk to your job (assuming your owner allows you to throw away seasons without even a potential QB answer).

I think O'Brien is shrewd and doing what's best for himself by not going all in for a QB the last two years, when he apparently didn't like anything available in the draft or FA. Most teams try to force a QB just to pretend there is progress (JAX drafting Bortles last year). But our owner has no problem throwing away seasons as long as our fans keep showing up, so O'Brien gets to keep waiting for his perfect 10 to come along.

I think it is shameful for us to throw away seasons and waste JJ Watt's HOF career, but I don't blame Bill O'Brien, I am sure O'Brien was very clear up front when he was hired that he didn't like any of last year's draft class and might not like any of this year's. There is no way he is going into a season with no QB unless he knows his owner is ok with it.

I could maybe buy your theory about the owner giving O'Brien ample time to turn the franchise around if McNair was 50 or even 60 something, but McNair is an 80-year-old who's already had one battle with cancer. Somehow I think winning it all is a more pressing for Bob McNair right now.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

This team goes nowhere with our QBs. We are wasting time. O'Brien knows he has an unlimited leash so he is apparently waiting for the QB of his choosing. There is wisdom in that, but it means we will not play a meaningful football game in 2015.

You're starting to sound like the me of about four years ago. Although I'm not sure I ever ascribed wisdom to the team's head coach.