Tweaking our offensive/defensive lines

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The o-line needs work but I'd like to give Coleman a chance.

I'll bite, who is Coleman and why are you giving him a chance?

[cland]

I think Bob meant, Caldwell. I know most of us are big fans of this style anyways, but more than any other year this seems to be the year to trade down Cleveland Browns style (#5 pick turned into slew of picks, players, and a center at pick #21)

The reason is that we have needs that are much better addressed in rounds 2 and 3. Guards, Centers, Run-stopping 4-3 NTs, Safeties, and RBs. Unless a CB that sits atop our board falls, I'm all for getting multiple picks in those rounds.

[sinnister]

I am probably going to state something that most everyone will disagree with, but I would love to see us trade up and draft Eric Berry. Adding an Elite safety would instantly make the secondary better, and could take the defense to the next level. With that being said, if we were to trade down and pick up picks, I want complain. There are several players I have been watching that could be had, and would add needed depth or playmakers. Still, if he puts up the numbers that I think he will at the combine, and he is potentially in the Ed Reed mold, I would love an Eric Berry pick. If I am betting, no way we would do it.

If we want do that, then for God sakes add some muscle to the interior line!! I am scared of drafting a DLinemen in the first round, but I could live with an OLineman in the first or second. As long as we can find an elite safety, or fairly elite......heck, as long as Busing isn't on the field......maybe on the team, I can live with that. I won't even start my Chris Brown rant.

[NBT]

I don't necessarily see it that way. Eugene Wilson is signed for 2 more years, and if he comes back 100% from his injury, I don't see that big a need at safety after the play we got from Pollard. If I draft for the secondary early it would be for CB, assuming dRob will be gone. Also I would like to see if Molden can live up to his potential and get off the training table this year.

[Roy P]

How much do you give up to trade up for Eric Berry? Do we have enough to get that high? Could we trade a Dunta Robinson and some draft picks to get it done? How much of a drop off is Earl Thomas from Eric Berry? For that matter, could Brandon Ghee play FS without giving up anything other than a 2nd round pick?

[HPF Bob]

You guys do realize we're picking 20th this year, right? We're not in that 8-12 range anymore. So trading down (ala Cleveland) doesn't work nearly as well when you're already starting at 20 and moving up to get Eric Berry means trading half of your draft to climb up and get him.

Oh, and I did mean Caldwell. My bad.

[sinnister]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

You guys do realize we're picking 20th this year, right? We're not in that 8-12 range anymore. So trading down (ala Cleveland) doesn't work nearly as well when you're already starting at 20 and moving up to get Eric Berry means trading half of your draft to climb up and get him.

Oh, and I did mean Caldwell. My bad.

Yup. You are right. I think that there is no way it happens. It also means not filling some needed holes. All valid points.

[cland]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

You guys do realize we're picking 20th this year, right? We're not in that 8-12 range anymore. So trading down (ala Cleveland) doesn't work nearly as well when you're already starting at 20 and moving up to get Eric Berry means trading half of your draft to climb up and get him.

Oh, and I did mean Caldwell. My bad.

I feel like trading down out of the #20 into the second round, is almost easier than trying to get out of the top #10 these days. With the depth in this class I'd love to see us draft at #37, #51, #60, and maybe an extra pick in the third.

[sinnister]

Originally Posted by Roy P

How much do you give up to trade up for Eric Berry? Do we have enough to get that high? Could we trade a Dunta Robinson and some draft picks to get it done? How much of a drop off is Earl Thomas from Eric Berry? For that matter, could Brandon Ghee play FS without giving up anything other than a 2nd round pick?

Roy, I do like Witherspoon as well. I noticed your signature. Personally, I think Earl Thomas could be very good. I don't think he is in the same league as Berry, but I can't honestly answer how much better our secondary would be with Berry vs. Thomas. How much will it cost......Wow. Another good question. Would they take Drob......Another good one. I believe that Berry could make us significantly better, which is why I do the deal. It's probably to early to say what the Texans will do, but it is fun thinking about it.

[sinnister]

Originally Posted by NBT

I don't necessarily see it that way. Eugene Wilson is signed for 2 more years, and if he comes back 100% from his injury, I don't see that big a need at safety after the play we got from Pollard. If I draft for the secondary early it would be for CB, assuming dRob will be gone. Also I would like to see if Molden can live up to his potential and get off the training table this year.

I like Eugene Wilson, and it goes without saying that he is probably the best FS we have ever had. Pollard was a God-send. I shudder to think of what our record would be without him; however, I get a warm fuzzy feeling of having Pollard and Berry starting, and keeping Eugene signed......quality depth at safety.....No more Busing......All I want from Molden is to stay healthy. Will it happen.....Probably not. I think we need help at corner, but look how much Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu help make their secondary look better. If Ed Reed retires, there will be a significant drop off in the Ravens secondary. He makes the corners that much better. I think Berry can do the same.