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04-19-2009, 09:35 AM
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"DE Brian Orakpo
LB Aaron Curry DE Everette Brown DT B.J. Raji WR Jeremy Maclin" ******************************* OK RP I like your list of the most likely candidates the Texans might take at 15, but I now think the biggest wildcard in this Draft for us could very easily be D-Rob. How surprising will it be if we hear about a trade, maybe even on Draft day, involving him ? Anyway don't you think you should add your top-rated corner among Jenkins, Davis, Smith, and Butler to your list ? 
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04-19-2009, 10:53 AM
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IMO you can throw Owen Daniels and Demeco Ryans into that batch of possible draft day trades. They all want top dollar and we can't afford them all. Drob, OD, and Ryans are all worth a first +other pick. This is a good year to trade TE's and MLB's cause you can draft a new one right away. One of the other Texan sites indicates that Buffalo is eying OD seriously. This is definitely a rumor though!
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04-19-2009, 12:39 PM
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If I trade Dunta, I'll replace his position with either Asher Allen or Keenan Lewis. If we trade Owen Daniels, I'll draft Shawn Nelson. If DeMeco gets dealt, I'll replace him with Scott McKillop.
I realize that draft picks don't always pan out and we are talking about very good pros who have proven themselves. However, if we can't negotiate with the players we have, then we have to move on. Take a look at how the Steelers, Eagles, Patriots, and other successful franchises deal with their Free Agents or hold outs. Either you want to be here and get a fair deal, or you want to leave and get the most money you can get.
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Originally Posted by chuck I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks.
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04-19-2009, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks.
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#5
04-21-2009, 10:16 PM
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Final Answer
Okay fellas, you can now hit the print button
 I believe I've analyzed this thing to death and I'm putting a bow on it. I think that Maclin is going to be a Raider and praying that Everette Brown is a Texan. Worst case scenario in my estimation is that Clay Matthews plays here in Houston. I've had some "sleepers" in my opinion like Chip Vaughn, Scott McKillop, Asher Allen, Kyle Moore, AQ Shipley, Roy Miller, and C.J. Spillman that I don't feel comfortable hoping that they are going to drop like I've seen in mock drafts. Therefore, they will be ranked higher on my board than what you most likely will see elsewhere. I realize that RB is a priority to spell Slaton, but I will not be reaching for Brown or Jennings. Maybe they will fall to where I'm comfortable taking them. If for some reason we trade out of #15 and Matthews gets stolen in front of us (i.e. Derrick Johnson), then I'm taking the disruptive DL who makes plays in the backfield. I don't know why Vontae Davis is dropping like a rock, but I'd imagine that there is something that "insiders" know about his background that I don't. I also put Knowshon Moreno ahead of Brown eventhough, I like Brown better as a "feature" back. The reason I choose Moreno is because he is a better complement to Slaton and has more power for short yardage. After much debate, William Moore goes ahead of the 2nd round OCs because I'm not certain that Vaughn is going to be there at #77 and you know about "the bird in the hand..." thing. Also, I'm putting a lot of faith in Shipley. Anyway, here it is. 1 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63 2 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52 3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66 4 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12 5 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45 6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62 7 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88 8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98 9 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40 10 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58 11 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48 12 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62 13 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50 14 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19 15 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17 16 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28 17 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45 18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77 19 DE Connor Barwin Cincinnatti 6' 4" 256 4.59 20 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83 21 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48 22 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49 23 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76 24 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47 25 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.55 26 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58 27 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47 28 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67 29 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57 30 DE Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 256 4.75 31 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35 32 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49 33 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49 34 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52 35 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63 36 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72 37 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81 38 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19 39 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3 1/8" 302 4.99 40 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61 41 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38 42 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45 43 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41 44 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98 45 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21 46 TE John Phillips Virginia 6' 6" 251 4.78 47 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 1 3/4" 215 4.76 48 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51 49 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35 50 OT Lydon Murtha Nebraska 6' 7" 306 4.82 51 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42 52 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21 53 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08 54 OG Anthony Parker Tennessee 6' 1 3/4" 290 5.09 55 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2 1/8" 239 4.72 56 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49 57 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58 58 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56 59 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74 60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99 61 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.63 62 OC Blake Schlueter TCU 6' 2 3/8" 290 4.70 63 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78 64 LB Robert Francois Boston College 6' 2" 244 4.58 65 LB Russell Allen San Diego St. 6' 3" 230 4.63 66 LB Brad Jones Colorado 6' 3" 232 4.57 67 LB Mike Rivera Kansas 6' 3" 254 4.63 okay - I moved Shipley and Irvin.
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Originally Posted by chuck I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks. Last edited by Roy P; 04-23-2009 at 08:21 PM.
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04-24-2009, 10:14 PM
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Man, I just can't leave things alone. There is talk about Curry dropping, so he's a guy I may move up to get at 11. Therefore, he goes back up to the top of my board. I'm also putting more stock on Shonn Greene than Andre Brown - there's a Parcell's/Curtis Martin story there. Roy Miller blew me away with his Combine, so I'm a believer. More folks are buying into Eric Wood, so he slides ahead of William Moore on the board. I still don't care what people are saying about Everette Brown, I want him opposite of Mario Williams. Lastly, Raji's talent has won me over, so he goes ahead of home town favorite, Clay Matthews.
1st Round 1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52 2 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63 3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66 4 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45 5 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12 6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62 7 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88 8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98 9 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40 10 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58 11 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48 12 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62 2nd round 13 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19 14 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50 15 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17 16 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28 17 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45 18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77 19 DE Connor Barwin Cincinnatti 6' 4" 256 4.59 20 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83 21 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35 22 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49 23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.55 24 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47 25 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76 26 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67 27 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57 3rd round 28 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48 29 DE Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 256 4.75 30 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47 31 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52 32 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58 33 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49 4th round 34 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49 35 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98 36 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81 37 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63 38 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72 39 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38 40 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61 5th round 41 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19 42 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3 1/8" 302 4.99 43 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41 44 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21 45 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45 6th round 46 TE John Phillips Virginia 6' 6" 251 4.78 47 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 1 3/4" 215 4.76 48 OT Lydon Murtha Nebraska 6' 7" 306 4.82 49 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35 50 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21 51 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51 52 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42 53 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08 7th round 54 OG Anthony Parker Tennessee 6' 1 3/4" 290 5.09 55 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2 1/8" 239 4.72 56 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49 57 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58 58 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56 59 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74 60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99 61 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.63 FAs 62 OC Blake Schlueter TCU 6' 2 3/8" 290 4.70 63 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78 64 LB Robert Francois Boston College 6' 2" 244 4.58 65 LB Russell Allen San Diego St. 6' 3" 230 4.63 66 LB Brad Jones Colorado 6' 3" 232 4.57 67 LB Mike Rivera Kansas 6' 3" 254 4.63
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Originally Posted by chuck I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks.
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04-24-2009, 10:33 PM
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Roy, that's a fine looking board. I usually have my own set of opinions on prospects, but that's one I'd go with.
btw... Vinny sent me a link to an impressive draft spreadsheet loaded with like 900 prospects, including their average rankings from leading draft sites and their combine/pro day numbers. Pretty cool reference for tomorrow if anyone wants one. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...66#post1168466
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#8
04-25-2009, 01:16 AM
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04-25-2009, 09:13 AM
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Paul Kruger has good size and athleticisim. Pass rushers will be difficult to find in this draft, so there's a bit of supply/demand going on here. Kruger is one of the taller DEs in the draft if you don't count Michael Johnson. Of course Kruger has more of a motor than MJ. If I thought MJ was going to be available, I'd probably slide Kruger to #21. It's probably a moot point, simply because I've rated Chip Vaughn so highly.
Name School Height Weight 40 10 3-Cone Shuttle Explosion Quick Athlete Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77 1.66 7.58 4.51 56 13.75 4.07 Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83 1.6 7.52 4.47 65.5 13.59 4.82 As for AQ Shipley, I am talking about a C not a LT. He doesn't need to have 38" arms to play OC. As for being athletic in a ZBS, Shipley is very impressive. Name School Height Weight 40 Explosion Quick Athlete Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17 57.33 13.74 4.17 Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28 54.17 13.67 3.96 A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19 72.33 13.58 5.33
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Originally Posted by chuck I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks.
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04-25-2009, 11:04 PM
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After the 1st day, teams that picked my guys....
DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss Atl S William Moore Missouri Atl DE Aaron Maybin Penn St Buf OC Eric Wood Louisville Buf RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia Den DE Robert Ayers Tennessee Den DT B.J. Raji Boston College GB LB Clay Matthews USC GB LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest Sea OC Max Unger Oregon Sea Ted Thompson is always picking My Guys.
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Originally Posted by chuck I'm just sitting here thinking (pacing, actually) that whatever my issues with Kubiak he is apparently a goddam genius at tutoring quarterbacks.
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