Browns Could Trade Brady Quinn and Braylon Edwards Each for a First Rounder

[popanot]

I don't recall Edwards dropping too many passes during the '07 season when he made the Pro Bowl. And IIRC, he made numerous circus catches that year. It seems most young WRs have a bout with the dropsies sooner or later. IMO, it's something he can correct and I'd be all over a trade for him if it only costs a late #1.

Some strange things are happening there in Cleveland for them to be giving up on all these young guys. Makes me think Mangini and their new GM won't be there for long. I'd probably be pertty ticked off if I were a Browns season ticket holder. Quinn hasn't even had any real PT for anyone (Browns included) to determine if he's any good, so they'd be lucky if anyone offered a #1 for him at this point.

[jppaul]

Yeah I remember his 2007 season it was a great season, I am just wondering what happened between that season and last season. He developed stone hands out of nowhere.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by popanot

I don't recall Edwards dropping too many passes during the '07 season when he made the Pro Bowl. And IIRC, he made numerous circus catches that year. It seems most young WRs have a bout with the dropsies sooner or later. IMO, it's something he can correct and I'd be all over a trade for him if it only costs a late #1.

Some strange things are happening there in Cleveland for them to be giving up on all these young guys. Makes me think Mangini and their new GM won't be there for long. I'd probably be pertty ticked off if I were a Browns season ticket holder. Quinn hasn't even had any real PT for anyone (Browns included) to determine if he's any good, so they'd be lucky if anyone offered a #1 for him at this point.

I wouldnt give a 3rd rounder for Edwards. Besides dropping too many balls he is a quiter and has no hart. I guess you guys didnt watch the same Browns games I did last year. He just flat out wasnt trying and looked like he didnt care to me. There was one game where after several drops he just quite running his routes hard. On one play they threw the ball to him and he was just jogging and never even turned to look for the ball. I couldnt understand why te coach didnt pull of the field and send him home right then. I would of kicked him of the team after that. He is lucky he dont play for the 49ers. I guarantee you that is what Singletary would of done to him.

[Keith]

Yeah, maturity was/is a question for him, heart, yep... Randy Moss had questions about him in Oakland, too. Edwards is no Moss, but he is still a first round talent.

Could be interesting to see what Edwards would be like on a new team with a fresh start, maybe some better QB play, too. After Crabtree, I don't see another WR in this draft I would want over him, especially considering Edwards is a young vet now at 26. We all fall in love with the POTENTIAL of these kids, but Edwards has some proven NFL ability.

Sorta same deal with Quinn, though obviously less proven. After Stafford and Sanchez, I'd take Quinn this year. He's got a couple seasons already under his belt as a pro, albeit with limited snaps.

Just seems like a lot of bad vibes (not to mention straph) in Cleveland.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Keith

Yeah, maturity was/is a question for him, heart, yep... Randy Moss had questions about him in Oakland, too. Edwards is no Moss, but he is still a first round talent.

Edwards is no Moss is a huge understatement.

Originally Posted by Keith

Could be interesting to see what Edwards would be like on a new team with a fresh start, maybe some better QB play, too. After Crabtree, I don't see another WR in this draft I would want over him, especially considering Edwards is a young vet now at 26. We all fall in love with the POTENTIAL of these kids, but Edwards has some proven NFL ability.

Edwards had one good year other than that he has been crap.



The Browns' biggest disappointment this season?

Not Kellen Winslow, despite the tight end being suspended and dueling with the front office.

Not Derek Anderson, who is having an awful season and could (and should) lose his job if he has another bad game Sunday in Jacksonville.

Not the injuries to the defense, which has continued to hold up admirably despite often playing without three key starters.

It's Braylon Edwards, the Pro Bowl receiver.

Edwards hit a new bottom in the 14-11 loss to Washington last week with four dropped passes, and that doesn't count two key plays where he ran wrong patterns. After the game, he claimed, "We might have underestimated the Redskins."

No doubt most of his teammates heard that and thought, "Maybe you underestimated a 4-2 team, but we didn't."

The comment may speak directly to the heart of Edwards' troubles this season -- his focus has been fuzzy, his sense of status in the league overblown. This is his fourth season, and he's had one good year -- 2007. He was hurt for much of 2005, and just so-so in 2006. Even last season, he was second in the NFL with 12 dropped passes.

But he produced 16 touchdowns -- and 58 of his 80 catches were good for first downs. He moved the ball, put points on the scoreboard. Edwards was like a cleanup hitter with lots of strikeouts, but also a monster share of home runs and RBI.

This season, it's been mostly pop-ups -- the ball popping out of his hands.

In six games, Edwards has 10 drops, three more than anyone else in the NFL.

Keep in mind the NFL's statistic for drops is very conservative; most fans would credit Edwards with more. But the real point is no one in the NFL is dropping more passes than No. 17 for the Browns.

To put it in context, Denver's Brandon Marshall led the NFL with 15 drops in 2007. In 2006, it was Terrell Owens with 17.

Edwards is on pace for 26!

If he were delivering touchdowns and big plays, it would be easier to accept. But in six games, he's caught balls in the end zone twice. He has one catch for more than 25 yards. More than half of his 307 yards receiving came in the New York game, when he connected with Anderson for 154 yards on five catches.

Anderson has thrown the ball to Edwards 49 times, more than anyone else on the team. The result is a mere 20 receptions.

Over and over, Anderson and offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski have been giving Edwards chances to catch the ball, to make an impact. That's why it was so annoying to hear Edwards say he was frustrated in the Washington game because he was open a few times early in the game, and Anderson didn't pass to him.

He is on a team where no one else has more than one dropped pass, and he's missed 10. He's on a team with a quarterback who loves to throw in his direction, with a coaching staff that believes in him and has protected him from criticism. He's on a team where he is the main guy, a role that Edwards has always said he wanted and deserved.

Why are the Browns 2-4?

Two reasons are Anderson's completing an NFL-low 49 percent of his passes, and having only two big receiving plays for 25 yards. But Edwards is a major contributor to the struggles of the Browns and the quarterback.




There are at least 4 WR's other than Crabtree in this draft that I would rather have than Edwards.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by mussop

Edwards had one good year other than that he has been crap.

So let me get this straight... Anderson sucked, the OL sucked, Lewis sucked, Winslow sucked, their D sucked, the coaching and GM sucked and were fired, yet, it was all Edwards' fault the Browns sucked. Yep, makes sense to me... Not saying Edwards didn't play a role or have bad year, but that team had problems everywhere and it could certainly impact a player's production and attitude.

That article you quote was in week 6. I wonder if the report still felt that Edwards was the biggest disappointment at the end of the season after he saw how awful that team and the coaching/FO was. I watched and followed the Browns a lot last year because I have both Anderson and Quinn on my FFL, and trust me, I benched Anderson and went with Joe Flacco (A ROOKIE!) very early in the season because Anderson was so bad. And it wasn't Edwards' fault. Anderson made all of their receivers look bad.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by popanot

So let me get this straight... Anderson sucked, the OL sucked, Lewis sucked, Winslow sucked, their D sucked, the coaching and GM sucked and were fired, yet, it was all Edwards' fault the Browns sucked. Yep, makes sense to me... Not saying Edwards didn't play a role or have bad year, but that team had problems everywhere and it could certainly impact a player's production and attitude.

Show me where I said Edwards was the reason the Browns sucked. Never happened so get youre facts straight. I said he sucked and isnt worth a first round pick. I stand by that.

Originally Posted by popanot

That article you quote was in week 6. I wonder if the report still felt that Edwards was the biggest disappointment at the end of the season after he saw how awful that team and the coaching/FO was. I watched and followed the Browns a lot last year because I have both Anderson and Quinn on my FFL, and trust me, I benched Anderson and went with Joe Flacco (A ROOKIE!) very early in the season because Anderson was so bad. And it wasn't Edwards' fault. Anderson made all of their receivers look bad.

There are many many many articles about Edwards and his inconsistancy just google Edwards and dropped posses and pull up a chair when you have alot of time to waste. In fact I have never been to a Browns MB before but I bet that if you go to one and read what they (the fans) have to say about Edwards it wouldnt be very nice.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by mussop

There are many many many articles about Edwards and his inconsistancy just google Edwards and dropped posses and pull up a chair when you have alot of time to waste.

That's OK, I'll let you do that for me.

Originally Posted by mussop

In fact I have never been to a Browns MB before but I bet that if you go to one and read what they (the fans) have to say about Edwards it wouldnt be very nice.

Should I care what Browns fans have to say? Does anyone take what we say here as gospel or think we really know what the hell is going on with a player or the team at any given time? You have your opinion and that's fine. I disagree and would be willing to bet that if the Browns trade him, they're going to end up regretting it. I think the situation in Cleveland last year was awful, similar to Capers' last year here, where the FO and coaching was so inept it impacted a lot of players and their attitude and production. I feel Edwards is talented enough to turn it around, and if the Browns are dumb enough to let him go for a late #1, I'd be first in line to offer it. JHMO.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by mussop

There are at least 4 WR's other than Crabtree in this draft that I would rather have than Edwards.

Care to name them?

While there very well could be four receivers that prove better than Edwards out of this draft, I'd have a hard time picking out with confidence who they might be after Crabtree. Draft picks bust at an alarming rate, even 50% or so of the early round prospects.

Edwards is something of a safer bet, especially if you think there's a possibility his poor play and attitude last year (at least in some part) could be contributed to someone or something other than himself. If he does end up with the Giants, what with their winning environment, Pro Bowl QB, solid RB, good defense, etc... (collectively known as things not found in Cleveland 2008), I think we have a decent chance of seeing the 2007 version of Edwards.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by mussop

I wouldnt give a 3rd rounder for Edwards. Besides dropping too many balls he is a quiter and has no hart. I guess you guys didnt watch the same Browns games I did last year. He just flat out wasnt trying and looked like he didnt care to me. There was one game where after several drops he just quite running his routes hard. On one play they threw the ball to him and he was just jogging and never even turned to look for the ball. I couldnt understand why te coach didnt pull of the field and send him home right then. I would of kicked him of the team after that. He is lucky he dont play for the 49ers. I guarantee you that is what Singletary would of done to him.

I had written half a response about Moss when I noticed Keith's post but I'll just go with it anyways.

A coach/GM obviously has the right to scratch off of his list any guy who doesn't give maximum effort. And many times a guy who quits on one team quits on another. But just as often, a change of scenery convinces a guy to try (even when a million dollar salary wouldn't). That's why TO is a good guy for at least a year with every new team and why Randy Moss has been a model citizen in NE (not just the performance, but the blocking, and the no complaining when he went a month without a pass when Cassell first took over).

The bottom line is that plenty of teams would love to have a guy like Braylon Edwards and they are almost gauranteed that he comes in and works really hard to prove his old team wrong (NFL players are pretty ego motivated if you haven't noticed). It's a far smaller gamble for a GM than taking a WR in the mid/late first round.

[Keith]

Just updating the reports...

Cleveland Browns wide receiver Braylon Edwards is expected to become a member of the New York Giants before the NFL draft on April 25-26, according to a pair of sources with knowledge of the negotiations.


“The Giants are going to have to up the offer a bit, but [the Browns] are willing to move him,” said one of two sources with knowledge of the talks between the teams. ...

The Browns reportedly asked for a second- and fifth-round pick and receiver Steve Smith, but the Giants declined. New York countered by offering the two draft picks and receiver Domenik Hixon for Edwards.

Neither the Browns or Giants could be reached for this story, but both sources said the gap will be bridged before the draft.


“The Giants are motivated, they’re trying to win right now,” the aforementioned quoted source said. “Edwards is a bigger guy that [quarterback] Eli [Manning] wants to throw to, like he had with Plaxico. The Giants know they can’t leave Eli with no great receivers. They saw what happened last year.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

Giants have the 29th pick overall in the draft... seems likely that it would have to factor into this trade.

ETA -
If the Browns had the 29th pick (745 pts via the revised chart), paired with their 2nd round pick at 36th overall (540 pts), that would equal 1285, or about 145 points more than the Texans 15th overall pick (1140). The difference could be roughly made up by the Texans' pair of 4th rounders (112th and 122nd for 70 and 50 pts) with maybe a 6th tossed in to balance.

Worth considering imo, though I know many of you value those players in the mid-rounds. Given the iffy first round quality, I'd have no trouble in moving down for an early 2nd.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Keith

Just updating the reports...

Worth considering imo, though I know many of you value those players in the mid-rounds. Given the iffy first round quality, I'd have no trouble in moving down for an early 2nd.

With the Browns having almost no talent if they make this trade and Quinn trade, I do not see them giving up picks now.

But with this being a weak draft, might they be willing to exchange a current pick for a future pick?

Remember the value in this draft is after our pick in the 1st and goes to the mid 3rd.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Keith

If the Browns had the 29th pick (745 pts via the revised chart), paired with their 2nd round pick at 36th overall (540 pts), that would equal 1285, or about 145 points more than the Texans 15th overall pick (1140). The difference could be roughly made up by the Texans' pair of 4th rounders (112th and 122nd for 70 and 50 pts) with maybe a 6th tossed in to balance.

Worth considering imo, though I know many of you value those players in the mid-rounds. Given the iffy first round quality, I'd have no trouble in moving down for an early 2nd.

So we give up a mid 1st round pick and 2 4th round picks and a 6th round pick for a late 1st and an early 2nd? Hmmm, me no likey.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by Roy P

So we give up a mid 1st round pick and 2 4th round picks and a 6th round pick for a late 1st and an early 2nd? Hmmm, me no likey.

Me neither. The fourth round has been like gold for us. That plus moving down to the Giants pick doesn't equate with getting a second-rounder.