Owen Daniels Contract Negotiations

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Roy P

If we simply replace one with another (cheaper) version, then we aren't getting any better, we are simply standing in place. That's also assuming that the replacement player actually lives up to those expectations (as they sometimes don't).

I would guess they most likely don't live up to expectations a majority of the time. even when they do long term it's not a good idea to bet on a rookie to come in an outperform a pro-bowl level player in his prime as a rookie. OD showed some skill as a rookie, but he's much better now than he was then. Even if we went after Pettigrew (I'm guessing he's the top TE in this draft?) He probably has a higher ceiling as a blocker than OD, and could likely be just as effective in the passing game. Even assuming best case scenario he's not likely to do all those things as rookie.

I'm not saying that we should give him a Winslow like contract or anything. I just don't think he's easily replaceable. I think his blocking has also improved quite a bit from his rookie year.

[Nconroe]

fwiw, USA Today has a pretty comprehensive salaries list available, sortable by positionm, player, team, year at
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/f...n.aspx?pos=134

contract you signed vs what worth now aside, looks like OD should get a raise and it sounds like they are talking , so good. similar for Demeco.

I know hard to build a good team and need to keep our good players, but I wouldn't mind just one year of some of these salaries and I'd be set.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

fwiw, USA Today has a pretty comprehensive salaries list available, sortable by positionm, player, team, year at
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/f...n.aspx?pos=134
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If Randy McMichael is worth 3.9 and Witten is 4.1, then OD should be at $4 Mil per year. Four years and $16M sounds reasonable. Right?

We gave Greenwood 5.5 and Marcus Washington is at 6.4, So DeMeco is in a strange situation. He's not an OLB in a 3-4, which is more like a DE, but he does other things like run the defense. I would say that 6.6 is reasonable, but he's probably looking for 7+, therefore, the happy medium might be 6.9M per season. I realize that there are bonus things to consider, but 4 years 26M or 5yr/34M might be the deal I'd look for on the cap.

[gunslinger57]

If I were Rick, I'd take the next flight to Tampa Bay and slap Mark Dominik and all the Glazers for giving Kellen "I'm a SOULJA" that ridiculous contract. You know OD and his agents are going, "Hey, why can't I get at LEAST that much? I'm more productive than him, and healthier!"

[WMH]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

If I were Rick, I'd take the next flight to Tampa Bay and slap Mark Dominik and all the Glazers for giving Kellen "I'm a SOULJA" that ridiculous contract. You know OD and his agents are going, "Hey, why can't I get at LEAST that much? I'm more productive than him, and healthier!"

Tampa Bay has to spend crazy money just to get to the floor. They have been in a that spot for a couple of years now. Who was that guard they gave stupid money to......(can't remember).

So, yes, they screw up the market. Hopefully, Rick Smith is smooth enough to work thru it.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

"Hey, why can't I get at LEAST that much? I'm more productive than him, and healthier!"

I agree that OD's agents are going to use that....but Winslow might be one of those cases of perception distorting reality. When Winslow is healthy he's been very productive. He had 1,100 receiving yards 2 years ago, and in the two seasons he's played 16 games he's caught 82 and 89 balls. Daniels highest yardage was 862 and he's never caught more than 70.

I'm not saying Winslow is better by any means, but simply pointing out that Winslow has been much more productive than I thought he was until I actually went and looked. I'll take OD any day of the week though.

[gunslinger57]

Originally Posted by papabear

I agree that OD's agents are going to use that....but Winslow might be one of those cases of perception distorting reality. When Winslow is healthy he's been very productive. He had 1,100 receiving yards 2 years ago, and in the two seasons he's played 16 games he's caught 82 and 89 balls. Daniels highest yardage was 862 and he's never caught more than 70.

I'm not saying Winslow is better by any means, but simply pointing out that Winslow has been much more productive than I thought he was until I actually went and looked. I'll take OD any day of the week though.

Yeah, but OD's agents are going to say, "Look at career stats! Owen's got stats that are just as good AND he'll be there for every game!" I'm just afraid we're going to end up with a (relatively) huge contract that ends up restricting the Texans when it comes to dealing with out other soon to be FAs. DeMeco and Dunta still need to be dealt with, and Schaub's got a huge roster bonus that kicks in in 2010, doesn't he? That'll require a renegotiation, and you knw that if he has better than average stats he's going to get serious guaranteed money.

[Mike]

Let Smith and the capologists figure it out. The Colts seem to make the playoffs with tons of guys with monster deals. Manning, Harrison, Freeney, Wayne, Clark and Sanders. I think Manning has the biggest salary # in the league. So I would not fret about having to pay OD. It is not going to be a mega deal.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

Yeah, but OD's agents are going to say, "Look at career stats! Owen's got stats that are just as good AND he'll be there for every game!" .

that's just the way negotiations go. I was simply pointing out that I didn't realize how productive Winslow was when he was on the field. His attitude coming out of college and the whole motorcycle thing got him a bad reputation, and was probably tainting my opinion of him as a player.

I'm just afraid we're going to end up with a (relatively) huge contract that ends up restricting the Texans when it comes to dealing with out other soon to be FAs. DeMeco and Dunta still need to be dealt with, and Schaub's got a huge roster bonus that kicks in in 2010, doesn't he? That'll require a renegotiation, and you knw that if he has better than average stats he's going to get serious guaranteed money

I am too. I don't think this offense is so good that we can just pick any TE and plug and play so to speak. I think OD would be much harder to replace than people to realize. That being said if he demands a Winslow like contract then we are probably better off letting him go. I think it would hurt the team a great deal, but not as much as the possible salary cap problems probably would in the long run. We still have no idea what's going to happen when the owners and the NFLPA sit down and negotiate. That makes this that much harder.

I don't see Schaub's contract as a big problem. They will renegotiate, but it will be more of a shuffling things around for cap purposes (if there is one)with a little extra thrown on top. I could be wrong, but I just don't see that being a big issue when we get there.