Owen Daniels Contract Negotiations

[Mike]

[QUOTE=Nconroe;10104]Yeah, poor OD will only make 2.9mil if he doesn't get a new deal. Demeco is the one who is relatively underpaid for now. I think all the salaries are too high and so are ticket prices, for average fan anyways. I think TE is important to our attack, not sure if it is OD or the position, some of both.


That is irrevelant if you think salaries and ticket prices are to high. We are worth exactly what someone is willing to pay. You cannot just plug in another TE and have OD's production.

We are not good enough to let our good players leave without compensation.

[nunusguy]

I like OD personally, I like his hustle, and I like his talent but honestly I don't think any player is a bigger beneficiary of this offense that Kubiak is running than OD. He is after all a rather undersized TE who isn't more than a mediorce blocker. To me OD is a classic TE/WR tweener with good hands. For example I could see the kid from Rice (Casey I think his name is ?), doing pretty well in this system.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

For example I could see the kid from Rice (Casey I think his name is ?), doing pretty well in this system.

This is most likely true. We could get another pass-catching TE in the draft and pay him like a rookie. However, there is a hidden 'cost' associated with that route. We already have a TE who is productive, that allows us to go out and use that draft pick on another position to make the team better overall. If we simply replace one with another (cheaper) version, then we aren't getting any better, we are simply standing in place. That's also assuming that the replacement player actually lives up to those expectations (as they sometimes don't). It's nice to know what kind of production you can expect from a young veteran, because he's already done it!

The guys that you let walk are players who think too much of themselves or simply don't want to stay with their team. So, the salaries that they are looking for are not in line with their production. Somebody like........Dunta Robinson?

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Roy P

If we simply replace one with another (cheaper) version, then we aren't getting any better, we are simply standing in place. That's also assuming that the replacement player actually lives up to those expectations (as they sometimes don't).

I would guess they most likely don't live up to expectations a majority of the time. even when they do long term it's not a good idea to bet on a rookie to come in an outperform a pro-bowl level player in his prime as a rookie. OD showed some skill as a rookie, but he's much better now than he was then. Even if we went after Pettigrew (I'm guessing he's the top TE in this draft?) He probably has a higher ceiling as a blocker than OD, and could likely be just as effective in the passing game. Even assuming best case scenario he's not likely to do all those things as rookie.

I'm not saying that we should give him a Winslow like contract or anything. I just don't think he's easily replaceable. I think his blocking has also improved quite a bit from his rookie year.

[Nconroe]

fwiw, USA Today has a pretty comprehensive salaries list available, sortable by positionm, player, team, year at
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/f...n.aspx?pos=134

contract you signed vs what worth now aside, looks like OD should get a raise and it sounds like they are talking , so good. similar for Demeco.

I know hard to build a good team and need to keep our good players, but I wouldn't mind just one year of some of these salaries and I'd be set.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

fwiw, USA Today has a pretty comprehensive salaries list available, sortable by positionm, player, team, year at
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/f...n.aspx?pos=134
.

If Randy McMichael is worth 3.9 and Witten is 4.1, then OD should be at $4 Mil per year. Four years and $16M sounds reasonable. Right?

We gave Greenwood 5.5 and Marcus Washington is at 6.4, So DeMeco is in a strange situation. He's not an OLB in a 3-4, which is more like a DE, but he does other things like run the defense. I would say that 6.6 is reasonable, but he's probably looking for 7+, therefore, the happy medium might be 6.9M per season. I realize that there are bonus things to consider, but 4 years 26M or 5yr/34M might be the deal I'd look for on the cap.

[gunslinger57]

If I were Rick, I'd take the next flight to Tampa Bay and slap Mark Dominik and all the Glazers for giving Kellen "I'm a SOULJA" that ridiculous contract. You know OD and his agents are going, "Hey, why can't I get at LEAST that much? I'm more productive than him, and healthier!"

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

This is most likely true. We could get another pass-catching TE in the draft and pay him like a rookie. However, there is a hidden 'cost' associated with that route. We already have a TE who is productive, that allows us to go out and use that draft pick on another position to make the team better overall. If we simply replace one with another (cheaper) version, then we aren't getting any better, we are simply standing in place. That's also assuming that the replacement player actually lives up to those expectations (as they sometimes don't). It's nice to know what kind of production you can expect from a young veteran, because he's already done it!

The guys that you let walk are players who think too much of themselves or simply don't want to stay with their team. So, the salaries that they are looking for are not in line with their production. Somebody like........Dunta Robinson?

I really think we can get another OD in the 3rd or 4th round like we did the origional and I think that's what the Texans should do if OD is too greedy
when it comes to a new deal, in spite of the sweet-deal Winslow got ?
Winslow may be a jerk, but he has Gonzales type talent and ODs just not a classic TE but mainly a real good fit in a very non-standardized kinda offense.
Why we may already may have the next OD on our roster in the person of one Joel Dreessen ? Cap money is a finite resource and it shouldn't be squandered on players who are not that difficult to repalce relatively speaking.