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Old 01-18-2011, 11:12 PM
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11 Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 6' 3" 282
42 Muhammed Wilkerson* DT Temple 6' 5" 300
73 Mike Pouncey OG Florida 6' 5" 320
104 Jeron Johnson S Boise State 5' 11" 194
135 Chykie Brown CB Texas 6' 0" 190
173 Niles Paul WR Nebraska 6' 1" 215
203 Alex Wujciak ILB Maryland 6' 3" 255

Not in Love with this one either.
OLB Justin Houston Georgia 6'3" 260
S DeAndre McDaniel Clemson 6'0" 212
ILB Bruce Carter North Carolina 6'3" 230
OT Jason Pinkston Pittsburgh 6'4" 310
OG Danny Watkins Baylor 6'4" 310
QB Greg McElroy Alabama 6'2" 225
WR Jarvis Williams NC State 6'4" 218

Hopefully, I have a NT, DE, CB all signed after Free Agency.
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Old 01-19-2011, 01:41 PM
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OLB Justin Houston Georgia 6'3" 260
S DeAndre McDaniel Clemson 6'0" 212
ILB Bruce Carter North Carolina 6'3" 230
OT Jason Pinkston Pittsburgh 6'4" 310
OG Danny Watkins Baylor 6'4" 310
QB Greg McElroy Alabama 6'2" 225
WR Jarvis Williams NC State 6'4" 218

Hopefully, I have a NT, DE, CB all signed after Free Agency.
CB Prince Amukamara is at the top of my wish list.
S DeAndre McDaniel or Rahim Moore or Jimmy Smith in the 2nd round
NT Jarvis Jenkins Or Jerrell Powe
OLB Sam Acho or KJ Wright
DB Jerrard Tarrant, Deunta Williams, Chris Conte, Jalil Brown, Will Hill, Chris Culliver

Then maybe another LB or DL
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:44 PM
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11 Justin Houston* DE Georgia 6' 3" 259
42 Lawrence Guy* DT Arizona State 6' 5" 300
73 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
104 Shareece Wright CB USC 6' 0" 185
135 Tim Barnes OC Missouri
173 Greg Salas WR Hawaii 6' 2" 200
203 Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa 6' 4" 218

I've fallen out of favor with Moch as a 1st rounder, will get a better read by this weekend on him.

11 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 6' 3" 240
42 Mike Pouncey OG Florida 6' 5" 320
73 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
104 Kendrick Ellis DT Hampton 6' 5" 340
135 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
173 Niles Paul WR Nebraska 6' 1" 215
203 Chas Henry PT Florida 6' 3" 215
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I REFUSE to be an insider, but Paul K @ the AFC South blog posted Kipers 1st (of probably 300) rd mock, and he has us with:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

Texans, 11th: Aldon Smith, OLB, Missouri

A late addition to the Big Board, Smith's declaration moved him up among draft-eligible pass-rushers. Smith is more athlete than refined pass-rusher at this stage, but he has a great wing-span and is a perfect size and speed combination to develop as an outside linebacker. We know Houston has to address the defensive side of the ball and Smith is the kind of high-upside player that will fly up the board as personnel people start seeing the tape. He'll improve a weak pass rush.

Kuharsky on fit: The Texans need to stock up at linebacker with their move to a 3-4, so Smith could make sense. Especially if there is no super value defensive back here.

Side note - Kiper currently has Von Miller going 8th to the.....Titans.
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:40 PM
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The Texans need to stock up at linebacker with their move to a 3-4, so Smith could make sense. Especially if there is no super value defensive back here.
The need for LBs is really due to the fact that we don't know how strong Barwin and Ryans come back from injury, so I wouldn't mind taking two in the draft or getting one from Free Agency and drafting another. Bruce Carter of UNC would be a great fit in my opinion as an ILB who has the speed to cover a TE. An OLB like Aldon Smith makes sense if Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara are not available at #11. I'd almost be willing to trade up for one of those big CBs. Other OLB candidates include Justin Houston, Jabaal Sheard, Jeremy Beal, KJ Wright, or Sam Acho. If we want to groom an OLB and not use a high pick, then Brooks Reed, Wayne Daniels, Markus White, Ugo Chinasa, Eddie Jones, Cheta Ozougwu, or Steven Friday may be options to look at late.

I'm also targeting a NT like Jarvis Jenkins or Jerrell Powe in this draft.
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Old 01-21-2011, 01:10 PM
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What do ya'll think of Phillip Taylor as a DT, 6'4", 340 from Baylor in say second or third round if he lasts that long?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117626
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Old 01-21-2011, 01:55 PM
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What do ya'll think of Phillip Taylor as a DT, 6'4", 340 from Baylor in say second or third round if he lasts that long?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117626
There are currently 3 DTs in this draft that I'm looking at to play NT in our 3-4 defense. Jerrell Powe, Jarvis Jenkins, and Phil Taylor. Picking around #73
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:44 PM
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There are currently 3 DTs in this draft that I'm looking at to play NT in our 3-4 defense. Jerrell Powe, Jarvis Jenkins, and Phil Taylor. Picking around #73
I'll add Kendrick Ellis Hampton 6' 5" 340 to the list of guys above as NTs I am interested in.

Taylor and Jenkins will be at the Senior Bowl next week, none of these guys will be at this weekends Shrine Game.
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:54 PM
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I'll add Kendrick Ellis Hampton 6' 5" 340 to the list of guys above as NTs I am interested in.

Taylor and Jenkins will be at the Senior Bowl next week, none of these guys will be at this weekends Shrine Game.
He has some 'red flags' that are making me shy away. He's also very tall, so I'd rather simply sign Gabe Watson or Alan Branch in Free Agency. I know what I'd get from them.
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Old 01-21-2011, 10:09 PM
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11 Justin Houston* DE Georgia 6' 3" 259
42 Jurrell Casey* DT USC 6' 1" 295
73 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
104 Shareece Wright CB USC 6' 0" 185
135 Dwayne Harris WR East Carolina 6' 0" 205
173 Zach Hurd OG Connecticut 6' 7" 315
203 Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa 6' 4" 218


For whatever reason I just don't see Justin Houston as an 11th pick. My take,

11 Robert Quinn* OLB/DE UNC 6' 5" 260 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuKdkjZf5uk
42 Ahmad Black S Florida 5' 9" 190 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9msQlgOziFE
73 Mike Pouncey OG Florida 6' 5" 320 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzjPIP3gKkU
104 Andy Dalton QB TCU 6' 3" 215 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rgEw2tT00Q
135 Quan Sturdivant ILB/OLB UNC 6' 2" 230 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id-wh...eature=related
173 Mike Blanc DE3-4 Auburn 6' 4" 290
203 Derrick Hill NT Cal 6'2" 308 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm5JMfyC1XM

UDFA:

Harrison Smith S Notre Dame 6'2" 214
Armando Allen Jr. RB Notre Dame 5'10" 205 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udN6v...eature=related
Cecil Shorts WR 6'2" 200 Mount Union http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfn3oxSbJ6A
Brandon Caleb WR Oklahoma 6'0" 195



I just can't help but think of Demarcus Ware when I see Quinn rush the QB. Ahmad Black is a no brainer, perhaps the best instincts of this safety class. Pouncy helps shore up our Oline and gives it a nasty streak its been severely lacking all these years. Dalton gives us a backup QB to groom and potentially take over some day, and him being a local kid only helps him. Quan is a LB with versatility to plug in the middle or outside. Mike Blanc is an underrated player who's solid against the run and can pressure the passer. Hill shores up the Dline at the NT, very stout against the run, his highlight reel is ridicules.

Smith and Allen out of Notre dame are probably the two best players at their postion's that nobody's heard of(I like that line), real sleepers of the draft. Our secondary and backup RB spots are some real areas of concern for me. As is our WR depth, Shorts and Caleb aren't too shaby for UDFA's.

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I was hoping we could finally start to draft for BPA but with last years abominable defense, it looks like we will still be stuck in the NEED mode. Need being CB & FS followed closely by NT.
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Old 01-25-2011, 10:56 PM
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they have adjusted there mock with the completion of the playoffs.

11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 5" 260
42 DeAndre McDaniel S Clemson 6' 1" 190
73 Casey Matthews ILB Oregon 6' 2" 235
104 Joe Lefeged CB Rutgers 6' 1" 205
135 Ronald Johnson WR USC 6' 0" 190
173 Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech 6' 1" 215
203 Brennan Olander DT Oregon State 6' 1" 276

I don't think Quinn is a McNair type guy, we will see.

11 Justin Houston* DE Georgia 6' 3" 259
42 DeAndre McDaniel SS Clemson 6' 1" 190
73 Sam Acho DE Texas 6' 3" 258
104 Jerrell Powe DT Mississippi 6' 2" 330
135 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
173 Niles Paul WR Nebraska 6' 1" 215
203 Roy Helu Jr. RB Nebraska 6' 0" 215

My OLBs are Houston, Acho, Barwin and Anderson
My DEs are Mario and Antonio, and a FA
MY NTs are Cody, Powe and Mitchell?
ILBs Ryans, Cushing, Sharpton and Bentley
Safeties are McDaniel, Keo, Nolan and Quinn or Barber
CBs are Jackson, FA, ?Quinn, Allen, McMannis

My RBs are Foster, Tate, Helu

Say bye bye to Okoye, Pollard, Wilson, Diles, Owen Daniels and Jacoby Jones. Time for a do over at a few positions, sign some Veteran FAs.
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Old 01-27-2011, 10:37 AM
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Default Drafttek.com 2011 Consensus Mock Draft In-Season Revision #17 1.25.11

11 J.J. Watt Wisconsin DE34
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Drafttek.com's DRAFTSIM model draws JJ Watt for the 2nd consecutive week! Uncle Wade ends up with maybe the top 3-4 DE in this year's draft. Watt plays the game with a tenacity and passion not often seen today and is the first building block in Houston's conversion to a 3-4 defense. The Texans' current roster only has 2 candidates to play DE in a 3-4: Mario Williams and Antonio Smith. Watt compliments this duo nicely and provides an excellent rotation pattern for the 3-man line. - Long Ball
42 DeAndre McDaniel Clemson SS
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The Houston Texans had the worst secondary in the league last year -- there, I've said it! McDaniel was a pre-season darling, had his ups and downs for Clemson during the year, but is a ball-hawking safety whose reaction instincts and "football speed" belies his forty time. Not only will this selection solidify Houston's young CB's and improve the turnover ratio in 2011, but provides a more physical presence in run support with the advent of Wade Phillips' new 3-4 alignment. - Long Ball
73 Johnny Patrick Louisville CB
104 Christian Ballard Iowa DE34
141 Justin Boren Ohio State OG
172 Jeremy Kellem Middle Tennessee FS
202 Kenny Rowe Oregon OLB34

Where I like Watts and Ballard, I have many more needs with the conversion, and DE is not biggest need. Unless I am trading Mario, I do not see two 34 DEs in this draft.
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Old 01-29-2011, 05:07 PM
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And the climb begins, Von Miller has had a wonderful week at Mobile and this mock has him going #5 to Arizona, wow!

11 Houston Texans: Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri
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Rejoice, Texans fans! Wade Phillips is your new defensive coordinator.

With the shift to the 3-4, Houston will need a nose tackle to pair with ends Mario Williams and Antonio Smith. DeMeco Ryans and Brian Cushing would play inside linebacker, while the outside pass rushers would be Connor Barwin and... umm... Aldon Smith.

Smith missed some action this year, which would explain why he had only 10 TFL and 4.5 sacks. However, he's a freak of nature and pretty much a lock for the top 15. Smith has drawn comparisons to Jason Pierre-Paul in terms of raw athleticism. I think he's more 4-3, but he does project well into the 3-4.
42 Houston Texans: Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
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The Texans will be targeting a rush linebacker and a cornerback with their top two selections in the 2011 NFL Draft. Aldon Smith filled the former need with the 11th pick in the first round. Jimmy Smith would satisfy the latter.

Despite taking Kareem Jackson in the first round of last year's draft, Houston still must address the cornerback position. Kareem Jackson has to improve, while Glover Quin would be better served as the nickel.
73 Houston Texans: Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
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The Texans desperately need to address both safety positions this offseason. Free safety is more dire, as Eugene Wilson and Troy Nolan have both failed there.
104 Houston Texans: Ian Williams, NT, Notre Dame
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Houston's current nose tackle is Amobi Okoye. If he doesn't pan out in his new position, the Texans will need a Plan B.
I'm going to suggest something that it seems I do every year, if the draft falls like this does, trade down. Someone will be looking at a QB and not wanting to pay top 10 money, trade down and get picks for later.

But I will play with what is here:

11 Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri top 34 OLB available
42 Quinton Carter, S, Oklahoma
73 Brooks Reed, DE/OLB, Arizona
104 Greg Salas, WR, Hawaii

There are 3 OL guys that I would consider: Stefen Wisniewski, Mike Pouncey, and John Moffitt, Might be willing to take one of htese guys instead of a defensive need pick.
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Old 01-30-2011, 02:24 PM
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But I will play with what is here:

11 Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri top 34 OLB available
42 Quinton Carter, S, Oklahoma
73 Brooks Reed, DE/OLB, Arizona
104 Greg Salas, WR, Hawaii
My picks...

11. DE Cameron Heyward Ohio St 6'5" 288 4.92
42. CB Jimmy Smith Colorado 6'2" 205 4.49
73. DT Jarvis Jenkins Clemson 6'3" 310 4.98
104. CB Davon House New Mexico St 6'0" 190 4.46
S Chris Conte California 6'3" 212 4.54
OLB Wayne Daniels TCU 6'2" 250 4.79
OLB Markus White Florida St. 6'4" 262 4.69
ILB Scott Lutrus Connecticut 6'3" 240 4.68


Just guessing what's available in rounds 5-FA
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Old 01-31-2011, 04:31 AM
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11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 5" 260
42 DeAndre McDaniel S Clemson 6' 1" 190
73 Casey Matthews ILB Oregon 6' 2" 235
104 Joe Lefeged CB Rutgers 6' 1" 205
135 Ronald Johnson WR USC 6' 0" 190
173 Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech 6' 1" 215
203 Brennan Olander DT Oregon State 6' 1" 276
I have a couple of questions after the Senior Bowl week of practice and the game.

1) How high will Phil Taylor NT Baylor rise before the draft? Is he going to be like Raji and jump into the 1st round? Raji went #9 to Green Bay in 09.

2) Is Von Miller overhyped?

3) Should we go NT in the 1st and then take Reed later to play OLB?

4) Is our middle of the OL OK if we pass on guys like Wisniewski, Pouncey, Hudson, Moffitt or Danny Watkins Baylor? Anyone of those guys would improve our interior OL in the long run. But how else are we going to get defensive guys that we need?

Is this mock to far of a reach?
17 Brandon Harris* CB Miami 5' 11" 195 ***trade down with NE
42 Phil Taylor DT Baylor 6' 4" 355
60 Stefen Wisniewski OG Penn State 6' 3" 297 ***for the trade down from NE
73 Sam Acho DE Texas 6' 3" 258
104 Brooks Reed OLB/DE Arizona 6'3" 255
135 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
173 Tejay Johnson S TCU 6' 1" 210
203 Chas Henry PT Florida 6' 3" 215

We would need to sign a FA or two from some other team.
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I have a couple of questions after the Senior Bowl week of practice and the game.

1) How high will Phil Taylor NT Baylor rise before the draft? Is he going to be like Raji and jump into the 1st round? Raji went #9 to Green Bay in 09.

2) Is Von Miller overhyped?

3) Should we go NT in the 1st and then take Reed later to play OLB?

4) Is our middle of the OL OK if we pass on guys like Wisniewski, Pouncey, Hudson, Moffitt or Danny Watkins Baylor? Anyone of those guys would improve our interior OL in the long run. But how else are we going to get defensive guys that we need?

Is this mock to far of a reach?
17 Brandon Harris* CB Miami 5' 11" 195 ***trade down with NE
42 Phil Taylor DT Baylor 6' 4" 355
60 Stefen Wisniewski OG Penn State 6' 3" 297 ***for the trade down from NE
73 Sam Acho DE Texas 6' 3" 258
104 Brooks Reed OLB/DE Arizona 6'3" 255
135 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
173 Tejay Johnson S TCU 6' 1" 210
203 Chas Henry PT Florida 6' 3" 215

We would need to sign a FA or two from some other team.
1. I look at Phil Taylor and think about a few recent drafts...
Dan Williams - #26
Ron Brace - #40
Torell Troup - #41
Linval Joseph - #46
Terrence Cody - #57
Terrence Knighton - #72
Pat Sims - #26
----There isn't a BJ Raji type player in this draft. I'm hopeful that Jarvis Jenkins will be around in the 3rd round sort of like Roy Miller was, but we may just have Sean Cody as our NT this year unless we sign a Free Agent.

2. Yes, he is a bit overhyped. I liked Brian Orapko better than Miller and he was drafted #13.

3. No to the first and yes to the second. A CB would be my preference in the 1st, but only if they are a stud. Otherwise, a trade down and selecting a 5-Tech may be best.

4. I think a decent OL prospect can be selected in the 4th or possibly 5th round. John Moffit or Tim Barnes?
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Hadn't validated this, but heard one of TV guys say Green Bay DL has 4 guys of 320lbs they sometimes rush together. That is a big DL. Led by Raji now.
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Hadn't validated this, but heard one of TV guys say Green Bay DL has 4 guys of 320lbs they sometimes rush together. That is a big DL. Led by Raji now.
Cullen Jenkins will be a Free Agent....and I want HIM!
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:27 PM
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If the draft were tomorrow using PK's trade:

17. J.J. Watt* 3-4DE Wisconsin 6' 6" 285
42. Jabaal Sheard OLB3-4 Pittsburgh 6' 4" 260
60. Bruce Carter OLB UNC 6' 3" 230
73. Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190
104. Jerrell Powe DT Mississippi 6' 2" 330
135. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa 6' 4" 218
173. Niles Paul WR Nebraska 6' 1" 215
203. Chris Culliver S South Carolina 6' 0" 190

Not my dream draft, but not too bad. I do think I have around 6 players that will see the field, if not start, unlike previous drafts.
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