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Originally Posted by kRocket

Does it take special skills to be a NT rather than a DT? I wonder if Kubiak/Bush would entertain that notion? I guess that would change our draft strategy somewhat, maybe an additional LB.

If all it took was bulk then there would be more of them. Wilfork the guy most people point at as a successful draft pick, did not start his rookie year, so it took him a season to learn the pro game. A NT has to learn to feel the double team and hold his ground. They need to stay low, and use their hands extremely well.

Quickness alone will not work, bulk alone does not work. Quickness with low end power seems to be the trick.

[kRocket]

Yeah, PK I remember Curly Culp with the Oilers in the days when they ran a 3-4. Forgot just how big he was sizewise but he was a college wrestler IIRC. That gave him an edge in the use of hands and leverage. Made a great NT.

Maybe Lamar Houston would make an acceptable NT. He started Texas as a RB so he has quickness and should have leg drive, but he isn't big by today's standards.

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Originally Posted by kRocket

Yeah, PK I remember Curly Culp with the Oilers in the days when they ran a 3-4. Forgot just how big he was sizewise but he was a college wrestler IIRC. That gave him an edge in the use of hands and leverage. Made a great NT.

Maybe Lamar Houston would make an acceptable NT. He started Texas as a RB so he has quickness and should have leg drive, but he isn't big by today's standards.

Curley Culp
Position: DT-NT-G
Height: 6-2 Weight: 265 lbs.

But the OL back then only weighed 240's, so when Earl was 245 that was huge for a RB.

But your correct in the fact that wrestlers and martial arts guys make the best front 7 guys.

[Roy P]

It's not easy finding a NT like Vince Wilfork or Haloti Ngata. The combo of size, speed, power, leverage, and strength is highly coveted. There isn't one in every draft. I believe the closest physical specimen in this draft is Linval Joseph. He isn't going to be drafted in the first round like the two prototypes because of several reasons. However, there are some strengths and similarities.

Pos---Name---Height-Weight---40------Reps-----Vert------20----10----Jump-----3-Cone--Shuttle
DT-Linval Joseph-6'6"-328lbs--5.09------39------30------2.91---1.75----8.25------8.12------4.71
wilfork/ngata----6'3"- 340lbs-5.08/5.13-36/37-26.5/31.5- /2.96- /1.73-8.42/9.2---7.6/7.97---4.5/4.69

Now, I won't tell you that Linval is the next great NT just because of his measurables. I will say, that for a 4th round pick, I'm ready to take the risk that he develops into a solid starter who can stuff the run.

[idymoe]

4/2/10

Draftek has Joseph gone before the Texans' pick.

1. M. Pouncey G/C

2. B. Ghee CB

3. T. Gerhart RB

4. Torrell Troup DT

5. Myron Lewis FS

6. Marcus Easley WR

6. David Pender CB

7. Kion Wilson LB


I would probably like Geno Atkins or Lamar Houston in the 3rd, but would be left with a risky pick for RB after the 3rd.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

4/2/10

Draftek has Joseph gone before the Texans' pick.

1. M. Pouncey G/C

2. B. Ghee CB

3. T. Gerhart RB

4. Torrell Troup DT

5. Myron Lewis FS

6. Marcus Easley WR

6. David Pender CB

7. Kion Wilson LB


I would probably like Geno Atkins or Lamar Houston in the 3rd, but would be left with a risky pick for RB after the 3rd.

I have the same problem, which is why I don't have a problem drafting a RB in the 2nd round. I'm starting to be thankful that we signed an OL in FA this offseason. Trying to get all the 'presents' I want on Christmas, I mean Draft day is going to be hard with the number of picks that we have in the first 4 rounds.

1. FS Earl Thomas

2. CB Brandon Ghee, OG Jon Asamoah, RB Ben Tate

3. RB Ben Tate, DT Geno Atkins, DT Lamarr Houston, RB Toby Gerhart

4. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, CB Alterraun Verner, CB AJ Jefferson, RB James Starks

5. CB AJ Jefferson, LB Pat Angerer, CB Kevin Thomas, OC Eric Olsen

6. CB Kevin Thomas, LB Simoni Lawrence, OC Joe Hawley

6. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim [Still on the board], LB Simoni Lawrence, OC Joe Hawley

7. LB Simoni Lawrence, CB Crezdon Butler, DT Jay Ross

[Roy P]

I got a run-stuffer in the 4th round. A little upset I couldn't get Geno Atkins, but that's why I keep wanting to trade down. Then again, I was able to get Earl Thomas without trading up, so that's good. I still would like to trade down in the 2nd round, though.

1. S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 4.44 Texas
2. OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
3. RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
4. DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 5.18 Central Florida
5. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
6. CB Kevin Thomas 6'0" 192 4.41 USC
6. LB Simoni Lawrence 6'1" 232 4.59 Minnesota
7. CB Crezdon Butler 6'0" 191 4.54 Clemson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLGeSdHgO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhQucP7DjYE

[Roy P]

1. OT Trent Williams 6'5" 315 4.88 Oklahoma
2. CB/FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
3. RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
4. DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 5.18 Central Florida
5. CB Kevin Thomas 6'0" 192 4.41 USC
6. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
6. LB Simoni Lawrence 6'1" 232 4.59 Minnesota
7. CB Crezdon Butler 6'0" 191 4.54 Clemson

I can't pass on Trent Williams unless Eric Berry is still on the board. I don't see him lasting that long, but if the draft gods smile upon us, I'm taking Trent. In the 2nd round I was tempted to take Jon Asamoah, but since Trent Williams was on the roster, I decided to address the Secondary. I believe if we don't draft a RB by the 3rd round, we won't get anyone worth a damn better than any old RB we could sign as an UDFA (Arian Foster). The 4th round is some beef in the middle to help out Cody. The 5th round is a steal that has injury concerns causing him to slip. The 6th round pick may allow Antonio Smith to play some more 3-Tech and Special Teams help. I must be higher on Crezdon Butler than anyone else, but I think he could be our Nickleback.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Roy P

7. CB Crezdon Butler 6'0" 191 4.54 Clemson

I must be higher on Crezdon Butler than anyone else, but I think he could be our Nickleback.

If Crezdon is still there in the 7th, we'd be fools not to take a flyer on him, especially considering our DB situation.

I saw you mention earlier Stephen Williams out of Toledo, he'd be a great story considering he's a local product. I really like him and have included him on some of my earlier mocks.

Here's what I came up with, in an absent Earl Thomas draft:

1. Brian Price DT
2. Chris Cook CB
3. Jonathan Dwyer or Anthony Dixon RB
4. Jamar Chaney OLB
5. Myron Lewis FS
6a. Jay Ross NT
6b. Lindsey Witten DE
7. Vlad Richard OG

UFA. Joshua Moore CB

Assuming Earl Thomas was taken by the 49ers, I select the next highest player on my board, Brian Price. He'll put plenty of interior pressure on the Colt's, Titan's and Jag's O-line. In round 2, I select Cook who I feel can start opposite from Quin and not be a liability in coverage. His size and athleticism should provide a boost to our secondary. I take the best RB available in the 3rd round. Next I look to bolster LB position off the edge, we're always susceptible to that with Chris Johnson in our division. Chaney is hands down the best OLB available. In the 5th we get lucky and find M. Lewis still on the board and the Texans go to the podium within 10 seconds. He will compete for the starting job at FS. The 6th round is focused on getting better, stronger and faster up front. The D-line has been put on notice. The 7th adds another piece to the offensive line, which has already been addressed through FA.
Moore has a chance to stick if Molden can't stay healthy this fall. He'd be great in nickle packages. I really like this kid.

[Roy P]

Well done, Blitzwood. Obviously, I don't share the same opinion on some of your players, but I like your thought process. Getting some speed at the WILL is important to me in order to chase MJD and CJ2K. I've thought about adding Josh Moore at the end of my own draftboard.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

1. OT Trent Williams 6'5" 315 4.88 Oklahoma
2. CB/FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
3. RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
4. DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 5.18 Central Florida
5. CB Kevin Thomas 6'0" 192 4.41 USC
6. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
6. LB Simoni Lawrence 6'1" 232 4.59 Minnesota
7. CB Crezdon Butler 6'0" 191 4.54 Clemson

1. OG Trent Williams 6'5" 315 4.88 Oklahoma
2. CB/FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
3. DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
4. DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 5.18 Central Florida
5. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
6. CB Kevin Thomas 6'0" 192 4.41 USC
6. RB Andre Anderson 5'11" 212 4.54 Tulane
7. CB Crezdon Butler 6'0" 191 4.54 Clemson

The thought of Geno Atkins getting after the QB makes me pretty happy. The question comes into play, is Andre Anderson a short-yardage back? If he is running behind Trent Williams, he just might be.

[Roy P]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtUuseJjmCE

2:58 and 7:28 show some good vision. He caught my eye in the E/W Shrine game along with his WR teammate Jeremy Williams. Anyway, Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick, so why not?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...;pageContainer

"Goes downhill with a burst through the line when inside holes are available
Good vertical to jump over piles at the goal line. Able to make one cut to head upfield, although he could improve his vision to find the hole. Carries the ball in outside hand. Keeps his legs moving and leans his body forward through contact to get extra yardage or break free for a big gain. Usually falls forward. "

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mock draft #24, April 6th

20 Earl Thomas Texas FS
51 Dominique Franks Oklahoma CB
81 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
118 Dorin Dickerson Pittsburgh TE (we already have 3 of this guy)
150 C.J. Wilson East Carolina DE
187 E.J. Wilson North Carolina DT
197 Andre Anderson Tulane RB
227 Seyi Ajirotutu Fresno State WR


It starts great. I can live with the first 3 rounds.

My Cherry Pick
20 Earl Thomas Texas FS
51 Brandon Ghee Wake Forest CB
81 Mike Johnson Alabama OG
118 Torrell Troup Central Florida DT
150 Marshall Newhouse TCU OG
187 Deji Karim Southern Illinois RB
197 Andre Anderson Tulane RB
227 Jameson Konz Kent State FB/TE/WR/H-Back/LB

Starting FS, possible starting CB, Starting LG, rotational NT, future RG, and two RBs that are solid, and Konz who can do a ton of different jobs, he, Casey and Barwin can save roster spots.

[Roy P]

I ran the Draft Simulator and came up with a pretty good Mock Draft....

1st Round

Pick Team Selection Psn
1 St Louis Sam Bradford QB
2 Detroit Ndamukong Suh DT43
3 Tampa Bay Gerald McCoy DT43
4 Washington Russell Okung OT
5 Kansas City Dan Williams DT34
6 Seattle C.J. Spiller RBC
7 Cleveland Eric Berry FS
8 Oakland Jimmy Clausen QB
9 Buffalo Bryan Bulaga OT
10 Jacksonville Joe Haden CB
11 Denver Maurkice Pouncey OC
12 Miami Earl Thomas FS
13 San Francisco Mike Iupati OG
14 Seattle Derrick Morgan DE43
15 NY Giants Rolando McClain ILB
16 Tennessee Kyle Wilson CB
17 San Francisco Taylor Mays FS
18 Pittsburgh Trent Williams OT
19 Atlanta Sean Weatherspoon OLB43
20 Houston Devin McCourty CB
21 Cincinnati Jermaine Gresham TE
22 New England Dez Bryant WRF
23 Green Bay Brandon Graham DE43
24 Philadelphia Everson Griffen DE43
25 Baltimore Patrick Robinson CB
26 Arizona Jason Pierre-Paul DE43
27 Dallas Anthony Davis OT
28 San Diego Terrence Cody DT43
29 NY Jets Sergio Kindle OLB34
30 Minnesota Ryan Mathews RBF
31 Indianapolis Charles Brown OT
32 New Orleans Brian Price DT43

[Roy P]

33 St Louis Golden Tate WRF
34 Detroit Rodger Saffold OG
35 Tampa Bay Jerry Hughes DE43
36 Kansas City Bruce Campbell OT
37 Philadelphia Nate Allen FS
38 Cleveland Jared Odrick DE34
39 Oakland Vladimir Ducasse OG
40 San Diego Jonathan Dwyer RBF
41 Buffalo Brandon Spikes ILB
42 Tampa Bay Demaryius Thomas WRP
43 Miami Arrelious Benn WRF
44 New England Daryl Washington ILB
45 Denver Sean Lee ILB
46 NY Giants Kareem Jackson CB
47 New England Carlos Dunlap DE34
48 Carolina Colt McCoy QB
49 San Francisco John Jerry OG
50 Kansas City Morgan Burnett SS
51 Houston Chris Cook FS
52 Pittsburgh Ricky Sapp OLB34
53 New England Koa Misi OLB34
54 Cincinnati Chad Jones SS
55 Philadelphia Brandon Ghee CB
56 Green Bay Jared Veldheer OT
57 Baltimore Corey Wootton DE34
58 Arizona Eric Norwood ILB
59 Dallas Tyson Alualu DT34
60 Seattle Tim Tebow QB
61 NY Jets Damian Williams WRF
62 Minnesota Dominique Franks CB
63 Indianapolis Ben Tate RBF
64 New Orleans Alex Carrington DE43

I actually would have drafted Brandon Ghee to play FS at this point. If I had known that Ben Tate was going to Indy at #63, I think I probably would have taken him instead.

[Roy P]

65 St Louis Jahvid Best RBC
66 Detroit Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB
67 Tampa Bay Thaddeus Gibson OLB43
68 Kansas City Dexter McCluster WRS
69 Oakland Lamarr Houston DT43
70 Philadelphia Matt Tennant OT
71 Cleveland Jason Worilds OLB34
72 Buffalo Jason Fox OG
73 Miami Cam Thomas DT34
74 Jacksonville Brandon LaFell WRF
75 Chicago Reshad Jones FS
76 NY Giants Rob Gronkowski TE
77 Tennessee Donald Butler ILB
78 Carolina Taylor Price WRF
79 San Francisco Jerome Murphy CB
80 Denver Carlton Mitchell WRF
81 Houston Jon Asamoah OG
82 Pittsburgh J.D. Walton OC
83 Atlanta Jermaine Cunningham DE43
84 Cincinnati Navorro Bowman OLB43
85 Cleveland Dan LeFevour QB
86 Green Bay Javier Arenas CB
87 Philadelphia Tony Pike QB
88 Arizona Greg Hardy OLB34
89 Arizona Jimmy Graham TE
90 Dallas Jacoby Ford WRS
91 San Diego Torrell Troup DT34
92 Cleveland Perrish Cox CB
93 Minnesota Mike Johnson OG
94 Indianapolis Geno Atkins DT43
95 New Orleans Darrell Stuckey SS
96 Cincinnati Austen Lane DE43
97 Tennessee Eric Decker WRF
98 Atlanta Aaron Hernandez TE

I was amazed to Asamoah available here and yes, he was at the top of my draft board when I selected. Again, Indy steals 'My Guy' Geno Atkins in this round.

[Roy P]

99 St Louis Brandon Lang DE43
100 Detroit Toby Gerhart RBF
101 Tampa Bay Montario Hardesty RBF
102 Kansas City Anthony McCoy TE
103 Washington Joe McKnight RBC
104 Seattle Selvish Capers OT
105 Philadelphia A.J. Edds OLB43
106 Oakland Marshall Newhouse OG
107 Buffalo Linval Joseph DE34
108 Jacksonville Major Wright SS
109 Chicago Amari Spievey CB
110 Miami T.J. Ward SS
111 Tennessee Jarrett Brown QB
112 Carolina Mike Neal DT43
113 San Francisco Lindsey Witten OLB34
114 Denver Ed Dickson TE
115 NY Giants Dorin Dickerson FB
116 Pittsburgh Anthony Dixon RBF
117 Atlanta Arthur Jones DT43
118 Houston C.J. Wilson DE43
119 New England Dennis Pitta TE
120 Cincinnati Mitch Petrus OG
121 Philadelphia Dekoda Watson OLB43
122 Green Bay Larry Asante SS
123 Arizona Marshawn Gilyard WRS
124 NY Jets Zane Beadles OG
125 Dallas Alterraun Verner CB
126 San Diego John Skelton QB
127 Seattle Riley Cooper WRF
128 Minnesota Kyle Calloway OT
129 Indianapolis Perry Riley OLB43
130 New Orleans Myron Lewis FS
131 Cincinnati Tony Moeaki FB

There were a few guys I really wanted in this round that came off the board before I got to pick. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim would have been my pick here at #118.

[Roy P]

132 St Louis Rennie Curran OLB43
133 Seattle Jeff Owens DT43
134 Cleveland Garrett Graham TE
135 Washington Ciron Black OG
136 Kansas City Jamar Chaney ILB
137 Philadelphia Daniel Te'o-nesheim DE43
138 Oakland Clay Harbor FB
139 Seattle Kam Chancellor FS
140 Buffalo Jeremy Williams WRF
141 Chicago Eric Olsen OG
142 Kansas City Trevard Lindley CB
143 Jacksonville Jonathan Crompton QB
144 Kansas City James Starks RBF
145 San Francisco Andre Roberts WRS
146 Cleveland Ed Wang OT
147 NY Giants Blair White WRF
148 Tennessee Dezmon Briscoe WRP
149 Atlanta Jordan Shipley WRS
150 Houston D'Anthony Smith DT43
151 Pittsburgh Syd'Quan Thompson CB
152 Cincinnati Pat Angerer ILB
153 Tampa Bay Phillip Dillard ILB
154 Green Bay Willie Young OLB34
155 NY Jets Brian Jackson FS
156 Baltimore Sam Young OT
157 Baltimore Fendi Onobun TE
158 Oakland Darryl Sharpton ILB
159 San Diego O'Brien Schofield OLB34
160 Cleveland Joique Bell RBF
161 Minnesota Joe Webb QB
162 Indianapolis A.J. Jefferson CB
163 St Louis Donovan Warren CB
164 Pittsburgh Clifton Geathers DE34
165 Atlanta Shawn Lauvao OG
166 Pittsburgh Shay Hodge WRF
167 Minnesota Ted Larsen OC
168 San Diego Brandon Carter OG
169 Green Bay Kevin Haslam OG

Here I would have drafted CB Kevin Thomas....yes, I'm drafting a lot of Corners and I realize it.

[Roy P]

170 St Louis Kavell Conner OLB43
171 Atlanta Kurt Coleman SS
172 Tampa Bay Robert Johnson FS
173 Miami George Selvie OLB34
174 Miami Walter Thurmond CB
175 Carolina Kevin Basped DE43
176 Seattle Kevin Thomas CB
177 Cleveland Mike Williams WRF
178 Buffalo Rahim Alem OLB34
179 Miami Emmanuel Sanders WRS
180 Jacksonville Roddrick Muckelroy OLB43
181 Chicago Derek Hardman OT
182 San Francisco Charles Scott RBF
183 Denver John Estes OG
184 NY Giants Myron Rolle SS
185 Tennessee Jeff Byers OC
186 Cleveland Micah Johnson ILB
187 Houston LeGarrette Blount RBF
188 Pittsburgh Al Woods DT34
189 Atlanta Zac Robinson QB
190 New England Lonyae Miller RBF
191 Cincinnati Walter McFadden CB
192 Buffalo Mike Kafka QB
193 Green Bay Vince Oghobaase DE34
194 Baltimore Rashawn Jackson FB
195 Arizona Jevan Snead QB
196 Dallas David Pender FS
197 Houston Marcus Easley WRF
198 NY Jets Joshua Moore CB
199 Minnesota Andrew Quarless TE
200 Philadelphia Earl Mitchell DT43
201 New Orleans Andre Anderson RBF
202 Carolina Shelley Smith OG
203 Jacksonville Arthur Moats DE43
204 Carolina Harry Coleman SS
205 New England Nate Byham TE
206 San Francisco Armanti Edwards WRS
207 Tennessee Chris Scott OT

WOW! I'm in the 6th round and just now drafting my RB. I believe I'll just take two and see how does better in training camp. I hope Andre Anderson works well in our ZBS like I think. I'm also drafting Deji Karim.

[Roy P]

208 St Louis Corey Peters DT43
209 Buffalo Travis Ivey DT34
210 Tampa Bay Chris Marinelli OT
211 Washington David Gettis WRF
212 Miami Colin Peek TE
213 Seattle Jeromy Miles SS
214 Detroit Hall Davis DE43
215 Oakland Jamar Wall CB
216 Buffalo Joe Hawley OC
217 Tampa Bay Chris DeGeare OG
218 Chicago E.J. Wilson DT43
219 Miami Tony Washington OT
220 Denver Deji Karim RBC
221 NY Giants Danario Alexander WRP
222 Tennessee Dexter Davis DE43
223 Carolina Nolan Carroll CB
224 San Francisco Terrell Skinner FS
225 Pittsburgh John Conner FB
226 St Louis Nick Polk SS
227 Houston Adrian Tracy OLB43
228 Cincinnati Leigh Tiffin PK
229 New England Zoltan Mesko P
230 Green Bay Pat Paschall RBC
231 New England Simoni Lawrence SS
232 Tampa Bay Antonio Brown WRS
233 Arizona Drew Davis OT
234 Dallas Larry Hart ILB
235 San Diego Thomas Welch OT
236 NY Jets Mike McLaughlin ILB
237 Minnesota Brandon Deaderick DE43
238 Indianapolis Jameson Konz FB
239 New Orleans Antonio Coleman OLB43
240 Indianapolis George Johnson DE43
241 Pittsburgh Chris Hawkins FS
242 Philadelphia Andre Dixon RBF
243 Philadelphia Boris Lee ILB
244 Seattle Michael Hoomanawanui TE
245 Tennessee Adam Ulatoski OG
246 Indianapolis Kyle McCarthy FS
247 New England Levi Brown QB
248 New England Richard Dickson FB
249 Carolina Kion Wilson OLB43
250 New England Patrick Stoudamire CB
251 Oakland Freddie Barnes WRF
252 Miami Chris Brown RBF
253 Tampa Bay Danny Batten OLB34
254 St Louis Matt Kopa OT
255 Detroit Darian Stewart SS

I contemplated drafting Crezdon Butler, but since I now have a stable of Defensive Backs, I went ahead and took a "luxury" pick this round.

WR Stephen Williams 6'5" 210 4.51 Toledo