Who will be available at 15?

[mussop]

I believe these players will be gone.

1 Sam Bradford
2 Andre Smith
3 Matthew Stafford
4 Michael Crabtree
5 Chris Wells
6 Michael Oher
7 Vontae Davis
8 Eugene Monroe
9 Malcolm Jenkins
10 Brian Orakpo
11 Aaron Curry
12 Rey Maualaga
13 Taylor Mays
14 B.J. Raji
15 ???????


I would be happy with any of the bolded players falling. If I had to choose from whats left and trading down wasnt an option I think several players would make alot of sense here.


Defensive players left


Brandon Spikes LB 6-2, 245 Florida
James Laurinaitis LB 6-2, 245 Ohio State

MLB not really a need.

Clint Sintim OLB 6-2, 255 Virginia

He would start and be an upgrade.

Alphonso Smith CB 5-9, 195 Wake Forest
D.J. Moore CB 5-10, 182 Vanderbilt

Dont think either one of them would make that big of a difference.

Will Moore FS 6-0, 230 Missouri (X)

Would start and be an upgrade.

Sen'Derrick Marks DT 6-1, 290 Auburn
Jeria Jerry DT 6-2, 290 Mississippi

Depends on who get for DC as to whether they would be a fit.

Michael Johnson DE 6-6, 250 Georgia Tech
Greg Hardy DE 6-4, 265 Mississippi (O)
Aaron Maybin DE 6-3, 235 Penn State
Everette Bown DE 6-3, 250 Florida State

Definatly a need position but are any of them good enough against the run??? Any of them would be better than what we have now.

Offensive players left

Jermaine Grisham TE 6-5, 256 Oklahoma
Brandon Pettigrew TE 6-5, 260 Oklahoma State
Chase Coffman TE 6-5, 245 Missouri

Not a need position but any of these guys would be a big plus in the red zone.

Percy Harvin WR 5-10, 180 Florida (X)
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR 6-1, 206 Maryland
Jeremy Maclin WR 6-0, 200 Missouri

Not a need position but adding another explosive player like one of these guys could make our O elite.

Alex Mack OC 6-4, 315 California

Would come in and start right away and play at a high level for many years.

Knowshon Moreno RB 5-10, 207 Georgia
Leshon McCoy RB 5-11, 215 Pittsburg

Lot of teams have 2 good backs now.

Jamon Meredith OT 6-5, 310 South Carolina
Alex Boone OT 6-7, 312 Ohio State
Jason Smith OT 6-4, 300 Baylor

You can never have too many quality OT 's.


Who would you pick?

[popanot]

I certainly wouldn't pick a TE at 15. A LB wouldn't be a bad pick, but I'd probably go Moore, DE, and then LB if they all rated about the same. I think there will be some good RB prospects in the 3rd and 4th rounds so I would not go that route in Rd.1. I like both Mack and Max Unger so I'm holding out hope one of them will be there in Rd.2.

[gunn]

If we have an attacking scheme on defense... there's not a doubt in my mind that Everette Brown is the best player that you have listed there at a position of need. To me, he is the top defensive end in this draft, and I think that he eventually ends up drafted in the top 10 and possibly in the top 5 of this draft.

[jppaul]

God, that sucks. I vote trade down.

[teufelhunden]

I guess out of the choices you left I would go with Moore. We need a safety in a bad way. Mays being gone Moore is the alternative. We need a DE and I would like to see Everette Brown across from Mario but as someone else said I do not think he will be on the board at 15.

For the RB Shonn Greene is my choice for the Texans, but not in the first round.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by jppaul

God, that sucks. I vote trade down.

But to what slot? And who would be available there? Not a bad idea though, depending on who was there at #15. This year because of the collecting bargaining agreement opt out, there are going to be a slew of juniors coming out.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by popanot

I certainly wouldn't pick a TE at 15. A LB wouldn't be a bad pick, but I'd probably go Moore, DE, and then LB if they all rated about the same. I think there will be some good RB prospects in the 3rd and 4th rounds so I would not go that route in Rd.1. I like both Mack and Max Unger so I'm holding out hope one of them will be there in Rd.2.

Why not a TE at 15 if he is the BAP and you know for the most part he is going to be a very good player. What happens to our O if Daniels goes down? Plus having 2 really good TE's can only help in the red zone. Im not saying that is what we should do but that we shouldnt just eliminate the option.

Ill take alot of heat for this too but I would take Mack at 15 without hesitation. The guy is probably the most NFL ready player in this draft and the center position is undervalued IMO. Those 3rd and short plays become alot less stressfull with him in there instead of Myers. If Mack or Unger (one of my favorite players in this draft) are available in the second I will cry if we dont pick em.

Originally Posted by jppaul

God, that sucks. I vote trade down.

Now that Mays has decided to stay in school it even looks worse. My bet is Everette Bown DE 6-3, 250 Florida State or Jeria Jerry DT 6-2, 290 Mississippi will now be off the board at 15.

The problem with trading down is everyone is looking at the available talent and saying the same thing. From 15 to rd 2 the talent level is pretty much the same. Its going to be real hard to find anyone who wants to trade up to 15.

[mussop]

Now that Bush has been named DC and says "everyone will be playing upfield. we won't be playing sideways". and describes his philosiphy as an attacking style that makes plays.

So knowing taht and looking at the players left scenerio Brown may be the guy that we covet. I still want Raji more than any other player in this draft but I wouldnt mind Brown if we really are going to attack the offense more.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by mussop

Why not a TE at 15 if he is the BAP and you know for the most part he is going to be a very good player.

Because our defense has sucked since forever and we can get a backup/insurance for OD in the later rounds or through FA rather than using our 1rst round pick on one. Actually, I have no problem with Dreessen as OD's backup and feel we could find another servicable TE or incorporate other offensive options if we got in a bind during the season.

As for Mack, I'd be OK with that pick. Center is definitely a primary weakness on this team. I think I'd still go D though if I had 3 or 4 offensive/defensive players rated about the same.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by mussop

Why not a TE at 15 if he is the BAP and you know for the most part he is going to be a very good player. What happens to our O if Daniels goes down? Plus having 2 really good TE's can only help in the red zone. Im not saying that is what we should do but that we shouldnt just eliminate the option.

I don't think you should just not consider a position (other than QB) because of who we have, but there does need to be a balance between need and best player available. If the team has a TE rated significantly higher than what else is left, then yes it should take him. If he's in a group of similarly rated players, well then you have to look at need as part of that decision. I think Dreesen is very solid as our second TE. His blocking is OK and he's capable of making a play in the passing game. He's much more versatile than Bruener. I think we could manage with Dreesen if OD went down for a few games.

[HPF Bob]

Mays staying in school really hurts because he was my second choice after his teammate Maululuga. The bright side is there will be a few unknowns that will ace their combines and shoot up the draft board that we haven't heard of yet. Remember Demarcus Ware? He was going to be a second-round sleeper, then a late first, then a mid-first and wound up being taken at #10? Heck, Mario Williams shot up draft boards the year he was chosen. There was no buzz about the guy in mid-January. It was all Bush, Leinart and VY.

So, don't sweat it right now. There's a lot that can change.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by NBT

But to what slot? And who would be available there? Not a bad idea though, depending on who was there at #15. This year because of the collecting bargaining agreement opt out, there are going to be a slew of juniors coming out.

This is not true at all. Roger Goodell personally made calls to many top NCAA coaches to make personal assurances that there will be no rookie cap by 2010 so there is no reason for juniors to come out this year based on Salary or CBA concerns. He chalked the whole thing up to unscrupulous agents trying to entice kids into coming out early.

[Maninthebox]

If an elite pass rusher worthy of the pick (maybe E. Brown?) is there, I think you go that route. I really wanted Mays here, but oh well. He probably would have been gone anyway. If W. Moore is the real deal at safety, I would give him a long look because I think pass rush specialists will be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It's great for us that so many sophomore and junior ends are coming out. I'm also wondering if we'll look at DT at any point. Not overwhelmed by TJ, Okam and D. Robinson, although Robinson looked very good in stretches, especially for an UFA.

PS If RB Shonn Greene falls to us in the 3rd, I think we HAVE to take him.

[NBT]

Barret, we will just have to see how many juniors come out, I guess.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Maninthebox

PS If RB Shonn Greene falls to us in the 3rd, I think we HAVE to take him.

You do realize how old he is? He will be 25 years old before he takes a snap in the NFL. Teams tend to drop players due to the shorter window he has to be a big time player.

Also remember he is a man playing with boys right now, he will be older than Mario on opening day, that makes me rethink his draft status.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by NBT

Barret, we will just have to see how many juniors come out, I guess.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3795154

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell says fears of a looming rookie wage scale are unfounded and collegiate underclassmen should not be misled into thinking such a system will be in place by 2010 as they weigh their decisions to forgo their eligibility to enter the NFL next year.

"There will be no change in our current [rookie pool] system, at least until 2011," Goodell told ESPN on Saturday. "I've explained that to some college head coaches, athletic directors and league commissioners. Any underclassman who is hearing differently is probably hearing it from an agent or from another source who is misinformed."

Goodell met with approximately six commissioners from major conferences during the recent National Football Foundation meetings.

Roger Goodell acknowledges a modification to rookie wages in the NFL is likely, but not before 2011. Goodell also has personally delivered his message to college coaches such as Florida's Urban Meyer and USC's Pete Carroll, both of whom have junior quarterbacks in Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez who are contemplating turning pro for the 2009 draft.

Two other highly touted underclassman quarterbacks, Georgia junior Matthew Stafford and Oklahoma redshirt sophomore/Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford, also are considering a move to the NFL.

"We talked about it, cleared the air and it was good to hear it straight from the commissioner," Carroll said Saturday. "That's a huge statement now that he's on the record. Obviously, I'm in total support of it and hopefully now a lot of good college kids getting bad information will be able to read it, see it, and trust it."

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

You do realize how old he is? He will be 25 years old before he takes a snap in the NFL. Teams tend to drop players due to the shorter window he has to be a big time player.

Also remember he is a man playing with boys right now, he will be older than Mario on opening day, that makes me rethink his draft status.

This is true but is balanced out in some ways by the fact that he only has a Willie Parkeresque 69 total carries in his first 3 years of college before the big breakout this past year. This lack of wear and tear will not totally offset the age, but it will help.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by barrett

This is true but is balanced out in some ways by the fact that he only has a Willie Parkeresque 69 total carries in his first 3 years of college before the big breakout this past year. This lack of wear and tear will not totally offset the age, but it will help.

IMO a player with such a small window needs to be 4th round or latter. Also he has only one good year since HS, so a 4th round pick again.

But these are my opinions.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by papabear

I don't think you should just not consider a position (other than QB) because of who we have, but there does need to be a balance between need and best player available. If the team has a TE rated significantly higher than what else is left, then yes it should take him. If he's in a group of similarly rated players, well then you have to look at need as part of that decision.

Well said!

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The bright side is there will be a few unknowns that will ace their combines and shoot up the draft board that we haven't heard of yet. Remember Demarcus Ware? He was going to be a second-round sleeper, then a late first, then a mid-first and wound up being taken at #10?

I'm going on the record, Paul Kruger. Plays like Freddy and slices through offensive linemen.

6'5" 265lbs 4.68 - 40, reminds me of Patrick Kearney and would look nice opposite of Mario. He can play al 3 downs, so there's no need to find a specialist later in the draft to come in and pass rush, saving a draft pick.

Can we trade down and still get him? Right now, yeah. On draft day, we may be lucky if he's at #15.