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Assuming we could work a deal to secure a QB like Brock Osweiler or Ryan Mallet with our 2.1, how about exchanging our 1.1 with a team sitting out of the top 5 like ATL, TB, or Minny for their first and second round picks ? OK so it's not an even-steven swap according to the DVCs, but with such a loaded Draft this year it might mean an additional starter for us.
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BTW, I looked at the trade value chart at Walter's and the 1-1 pick is worth 3000 pts, the #4 overall is 1800, the #26 overall is worth 700 and the #35 overall is worth 550. So Blitzwood's proposed trade does not seem as outlandish as I thought - 3000 pts for 3050 pts. Still, I can't imagine a real professional NFL GM would give up two #1s and a high #2 to move up three spots to 1-1 unless Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck were at 1-1 and, no Aggies, Johnny Manziel is not in the same hemisphere as either of those two.
Then again, we are talking about the Browns' front office so maybe they are crazy enough to do it. Last edited by HPF Bob; 03-09-2014 at 10:14 PM. |
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Don't worry Bob, I'm not the least bit offended at your first mental lapse in the last decade or so, I most often find your commentary insightful and refreshing like a South Texas fertilizer plant in mid August....
There was a trade a couple years ago between the Rams and the Redskins to move up four spots for some guy named RG3. Rookie Salary cap in play, also. I believe the haul was: Redskins get: 2nd-overall pick (2012) Rams get: 2nd-overall pick (2014) 6th-overall pick (2012) 22nd-overall pick (2013) 39th-overall pick (2012) I bet that trade was slightly over 50 points. BTW, I like Tuitt, what don't u like about him? |
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I just don't see Tuitt as the sort of impact guy I like in the first round. There are some other guys projected in the first I feel the same way about - solid but not dynamic. Then again, I wasn't a big fan of Watt coming out of college either.
See if the Browns will bite on 2 1sts and a high 2nd. I'll be happy if it works but unless they want something exclusive (i.e. Clowney), I just don't see them making that jump. RG3 was RG3. From a draftnik's perspective, he was a definite franchise quarterback. |
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I agree that we don't have a franchise QB in this draft and a trade down would likely mean less value in return. However, if a #1 and a #2 is all that is needed, you won't need the Browns. I think the Falcons may be the better trade partner because they seem to genuinely want Clowney, already have a starting QB and are thinking their awful season can be fixed with better health, better luck and a few new parts.
I'd accept the Falcons' 1-6 and 2-6 plus a 2013 2nd for our #1 spot and use the 1-6 for an offensive tackle or a blitzing LB (or Sammy Watkins if you want to get exotic). We fill a hole, add another Top 40 pick and add a second-rounder for next year while the Falcons get the DE they covet. Some mocks have the Rams doing this deal on the premise we aren't taking Clowney but there's no reason we can't cut out the middle man and do it ourselves. |
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I feel like I'm more and more on an island in my belief that Teddy Bridgewater is a franchise QB...
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D'oh! I meant 2015. Need to wake up earlier.
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Probably with a small population. I like Bortles in O'Brien's system and I like Gorappolo in that I could get him with a 2nd round pick (reducing my risk).
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1-4 Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo 1-26 Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State 2-33 Stephon Tuitt, DE/DT, Notre Dame 2-35 Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois 3-65 Cameron Fleming*, OT, Stanford 4-97 Daniel McCullers, NT, Tennessee 5 129 Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice Mack is a high motor guy with off the chart skills. Mack and Mercilus become the speed guys on the outside, along with Trevardo Williams who can also be seen inside at times. Shazier is on the smallest side, but reports have the Texans meeting with him at the Combine. He has off the chart speed for the ILB. (What college did our new LB coach play at?) Tuitt would be a monster DE to play the 5 tech for Crennel, along with McCullers at NT. To round out the defensive picks, local product Gaines from Rice has top end speed and plenty of upside. Fleming is a junior that could be a RT. Lastly I have them taking Garoppolo, Roy and I both like him.
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1-4 Justin Gilbert, CB/KR, Oklahoma State 1-26 Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois 2-33 Xavier Su'a-Fill, G/T, UCLA 2-35 Trent Murphy, DE, Stanford 3-65 Marcus Smith, OLB, Louisville 4-97 Jordan Tripp, ILB, Montana 5-129 Caraun Reid, DT, Princeton At #4 I take a hard look at OT Greg Robinson and OLB Anthony Barr. If I knew Barr would drop so low in the first round, I could trade down some more and be happy. I went with Gilbert because the Colts have more receivers than we can cover. I grabbed my QB early to make sure I got one. If I could guarantee I could draft AJ McCarron at #97, my draft might look different. OLB Dee Ford was tempting here too, but concerned about his medical, since he wasn't allowed to work out at The Combine. At #33 I drafted Logan Mankins, Steve Hutchinson, or Alan Faneca, a Pro-Bowl LG. Maybe he can play RT or maybe Quessenberry can, but Su'a-Filo couldn't be passed up. At #35 I'm torn between Trent Murphy and Kareem Martin. K Martin has the size I like, but I saw Murphy in action during the season more often and he reminded me of JJ Watt. So, I pit him in the weight room with JJ and hope he bulks up to 275lbs and replaces Antonio Smith. At #65 There's still plenty of talent on the board. Since I haven't drafted an OLB yet, Marcus Smith is my guy. If I look at the Sacks, TFLs, Fumbles that Murphy & Smith produced last year, I start hoping it projects to the next level. I also considered my Safety Deone Bucannom here. If I missed on Su'a-Filo, Joel Bitonio would be the pick here. Offensive weapons Donte Moncrief, and Bishop Sankey were also available here. At #97 I take one of my favorite players on the draft. At the Senior Bowl he seemed like he was in on every tackle. I had no idea who he was, but I looked him up. At the Combine his 6.89 Cone drill, and 3.96 Shuttle opened my eyes. So, with Cushing's history of injuries and the lack of depth at ILB, this pick makes me happy. This is where we COULD have drafted AJ McCarron. At #129, much like #35 I draft a guy I saw play but just hope he gets bigger. He is not Vince Wilfork, nor is he Teddy Washington or Dontari Poe. At 6' 2" 302lbs, he's not "Tiny" either. Earl Mitchell is gone and we need someone on the middle. Maybe, he only plays on third down, but he has quickness to pass rush and I'm taking him. Other options I considered: RB Tyler Gaffney, OC Weston Richburg, OT Trai Turner, NT Zack Kerr, and WR Kevin Norwood.
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1 Jadeveon Clowney, OLB/DE, South Carolina 33 Stephon Tuitt, DE/DT, Notre Dame 65 Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU 101 E.J. Gaines, CB, Missouri 135 Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami 141 Tajh Boyd, QB, Clemson Clowney to put on the opposite side of the defense from Watt, Now we have some pass rush options. Tuitt is a perfect 5 tech, needs to bring his motor up, Mr golden domer meet Mr Watt & Mr Cushing. Two QBs that have upside, Mettenberger would be a 1st rounder had he not had the knee injury. Has a rocket arm and has played in a pro set offense. Boyd has been a solid QB and has a history with last years 1st round pick. Time to develop a young QB. Not a perfect draft but one I would not scream at on the Monday after the draft.
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Henderson quit during his Pro Day which his agent later claimed was due to dehydration. I suspect he'll still be there in the seventh if you want him.
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I missed that one. He has an upside, but he also has never lived up to his talent level.
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Walters has a new mock April 15th.
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Draftsite has a 7 round mock up.
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65 Troy Niklas* TE Notre Dame 6' 6" 270 101 Andre Williams RB Boston College 5' 11" 230 135 Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB Nebraska 6' 3" 218 141 Dominique Easley DT Florida 6' 2" 288 177 Marcus Williams CB North Dakota State 5' 11" 192 211 Prince Shembo OLB Notre Dame 6' 1" 253 216 Matt Hall OT Belhaven 6' 10" 320 256 Zac Kerin OC Toledo 6' 5" 300 Again my Cherry Pick: 1 Jadeveon Clowney* DE South Carolina 6' 5" 266 33 Zach Mettenberger QB LSU 6' 5" 224 65 Shayne Skov ILB Stanford 6' 2" 245 101 Cameron Fleming* OT Stanford 6' 5" 323 135 Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB Nebraska 6' 3" 218 141 Marcel Jensen TE Fresno State 6' 6" 259 177 Marcus Williams CB North Dakota State 5' 11" 192 211 Logan Thomas QB Virginia Tech 6' 6" 248 No clue about the 7th round picks. Why not pick a 6'10" OT? If he can stay low, which I doubt. My Clowney flags are waiving to stay away from this kid, but his talent is hard to pass up. The $.05 brain is worrying me, also who is advising this kid? Logan Thomas has met with team a couple times, so he is on my radar.
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I think Logan Thomas could be converted to TE ala Owen Daniels. He has the size and good hands. I don't believe for a moment anyone is looking at him for QB.
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