Official Divisional Playoff Round - Texans @ Chiefs Game Thread, 1/12/2020 - Page 5

Keith · #81 01-13-2020, 12:10 AM

In retrospect, the most surprising thing about this game was that the Texans were up by 24 in the first quarter. Had they lost more conventionally by 20 points would not have really surprised anyone.

Sad fact, since O'Brien has been hired, each of the other AFC South teams have advanced to the conference championship game.

HPF Bob · #82 01-13-2020, 01:38 AM

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Coming to bookstores soon: "How to Piss Away a Three-Touchdown Lead and Lose By 20 Points" by Bill O'Brien, former head coach of the #HoustonTexans .

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Hmmm. I'm finding myself agreeing with the heckler at the Broncos game.

Arky · #83 01-13-2020, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith

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Sad fact, since O'Brien has been hired, each of the other AFC South teams have advanced to the conference championship game.

Huh. You are correct, I looked it up. Colts went to the AFCC game in '14, Jags in '17 and Titans this year.

If it makes anyone feel better, Titans were on a 0-3 run in divisional games before getting over the hump this year. Lost divisional games in '03, '08 and '17. The last time the Titans reached the AFCC game was '02 when they lost to the Raiders - that was Jeff Fisher/Steve McNair/Eddie George era...

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Early lines have settled down a bit. Chiefs now mostly a 7½ pt favorite over the Titans. Niners a 7 pt favorite over the Packers.

Arky · #84 01-13-2020, 05:07 AM

Something has got to be done about this bondo'ed-up defense next year. This year's defense was a mix of over-the-hillers, inexperience and never-was. Some were unhealthy at the wrong time with no competent backup. A few good pieces - I'd keep McKinney, Cunningham, Watt, Martin, Reid, a couple of others... Everyone else should be on notice..... Only 3 times did they hold an opponent under 14 pts and those games were mostly in the first half of the year. Down the stretch, they declined badly.... Just gotta have a better defense than that.

The fat-boy DL had zero pass rush all year long. All those guys are questionable. No doubt they are tough guys, good teammates, blah, blah, blah but they ain't getting the job done.

I think the offense is pretty well set - it was a learning year for the rookies and new people - so, all the resources can be spent on defense next year....

HPF Bob · #85 01-13-2020, 09:53 AM

Summation by the YouTube oracle "Urinating Tree"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93lWO8lfxrs

(caution: includes profanity)

But he's spot on in evaluating O'Brien. Hit every bullet point except for Bill's talent for not challenging calls that he could win while wasting timeouts challenging calls he's guaranteed to lose.

He's right that the Texans won't fire O'Brien because they are obsessed with becoming the Patriots just like Austin/University of Texas is fixated on leaders that came from San Francisco, Sacramento or Berkeley. Hey, Houstonians, guess where Austin found Art Acevedo?

But, to be fair, let's do a quick comparison on the Clowney deal:

Clowney - 13 games, 31 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 INT, 4 FF, 2 recoveries, 13 QB hits
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Martin - 14 games, 11 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 0 INT, 1 FF, 1 recovery, 7 QB hits
Mingo - 16 games, 1 tackle, 0 sacks, 0 INT, 0 FF, 0 recovery, 2 QB hits
Conley* - 8 games, 27 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 INTs, 0 FF, 0 recovery, 0 QB hits

Total of 3: 38 games, 39 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 0 INT, 1 FF, 1 recovery, 9 QB hits

* - we got Conley with the 3rd that was part of the Clowney deal.

Salary: Clowney almost $16 million
Martin, Mingo, Conley combined approximately $5.4 million

HPF Bob · #86 01-13-2020, 10:38 AM

Incidentally, if the Texans still had their first round pick, it would have been the 26th in the first round. Instead, it belongs to the Dolphins due to the trade for False Start Tunsil.

chuck · #87 01-13-2020, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Arky

Something has got to be done about this bondo'ed-up defense next year.

Well, they have Mercilus locked up for the next 11 years. You gotta love that...

I'd somehow missed BOB's exchange with the fan until yesterday. I have to say, that gave me some additional insight into his ability to think on his feet. You suck! shouts the fan. YOU SUCK TOO! is BOB's agile retort.

I wonder how long it would take for him to explode if he were coaching in a real city with real fans and a real press. Sadly, I'll never know, but I would take the under on that one.

Arky · #88 01-13-2020, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Well, they have Mercilus locked up for the next 11 years. You gotta love that...

Yep, not a huge fan of Merci although he seems like a good guy off the field (radio/TV). He gets one of those "loyal employee" contracts that the Texans are famous for.....

Someone in another forum suggested that obviously the defense needs OB to takeover the DC job - that should fix it. Eheh.

Perhaps we need to blow the fan confrontation out of proportion so the Texans have to let OB go ---- ala Luhnow/Hinch and the Great Sign-Stealing Scandal of 2019...

barrett · #89 01-13-2020, 05:58 PM

Yesterday was terrible. I'd fire O'Brien if I was in charge and had any real intention of winning a super bowl. I'd fire GM O'Brien even if I didn't want to win the super bowl.

But honestly there are about 5 good NFL coaches, a dozen guys who are net neutrals, and 15 idiots. We landed in the top 8 of the NFL with the worst GM in the league and one of the dozen mediocre coaches.

That's how good Watson is. Normally I'd hesitate to fire a mediocre coach when your replacement is likely to be worse. But I have to figure any great coach would want to coach Deshaun Watson. That means guys who normally wouldn't take our calls would line up for the job. You only have to get like 2 or 3 things right as a coach and you win the title with Watson.

Throw $15 million a year at Tony Dungy to be the HC and to hire the GM, and then give him like double what everyone else spends to spend on staff. Everyone wants the next young mind as their HC, but half of those guys screw up the organizational stuff. Let Dungy play a HC role and hire the young mind and give him a large OC salary and offensive autonomy. It's not like you can screw up a Deshaun Watson offense. Then let Dungy cobble together a defense made of veterans and high level defensive coaches.

nunusguy · #90 01-16-2020, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by barrett

Yesterday was terrible. I'd fire O'Brien if I was in charge and had any real intention of winning a super bowl. I'd fire GM O'Brien even if I didn't want to win the super bowl.

But honestly there are about 5 good NFL coaches, a dozen guys who are net neutrals, and 15 idiots. We landed in the top 8 of the NFL with the worst GM in the league and one of the dozen mediocre coaches.

That's how good Watson is. Normally I'd hesitate to fire a mediocre coach when your replacement is likely to be worse. But I have to figure any great coach would want to coach Deshaun Watson. That means guys who normally wouldn't take our calls would line up for the job. You only have to get like 2 or 3 things right as a coach and you win the title with Watson.

Throw $15 million a year at Tony Dungy to be the HC and to hire the GM, and then give him like double what everyone else spends to spend on staff. Everyone wants the next young mind as their HC, but half of those guys screw up the organizational stuff. Let Dungy play a HC role and hire the young mind and give him a large OC salary and offensive autonomy. It's not like you can screw up a Deshaun Watson offense. Then let Dungy cobble together a defense made of veterans and high level defensive coaches.

Hey Barrett how long have you been such a big fan of former Indy coach Dungy ? Why do you like him so much, because of his well know ability
as a mentor of the players ?
Do you see a role for your boy Brian Cushing (currently a rookie coach for O'Brien), in the Dungy regime ? Maybe Cush could be the DC though of course historically that's been Dungys forte ?

barrett · #91 01-16-2020, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

Hey Barrett how long have you been such a big fan of former Indy coach Dungy ? Why do you like him so much, because of his well know ability
as a mentor of the players ?
Do you see a role for your boy Brian Cushing (currently a rookie coach for O'Brien), in the Dungy regime ? Maybe Cush could be the DC though of course historically that's been Dungys forte ?

I don't love Dungy or at least I haven't in the past. I thought he was a solid coach but never thought much more. That's why I think you give him tools to put together a great staff. His cover 2 system won't work in today's NFL because safeties can't murder guys who go up the seam.

So why did I bring him up? It's a combination of factors.

1. I think we have no grownups in the room right now.
2. I think you should hire the HC before the GM. Then let the HC have input in GM hire.
3. I think you then need a GM who is on equal footing with the HC.
4. I think if you have a talent like Watson your offense will be fine.
5. I think the trades we have made have handicapped our ability to get better.
6. I think someone needs to cobble together a defense with mid level vets.
7. I think if you have a defensive HC it boosts your D automatically.
8. I think we are hiring last if we fire BOB right now so in order to get a good candidate it has to be someone not truly available.

All of those things made Dungy come to mind.

HPF Bob · #92 01-16-2020, 10:53 AM

This may make some incredulous but the guy I think about is...Dom Capers. It wasn't his fault that he was saddled with an expansion team. Now it's not an expansion team and I'd be interested to see how he would tweak the defense.

nunusguy · #93 01-16-2020, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

This may make some incredulous but the guy I think about is...Dom Capers. It wasn't his fault that he was saddled with an expansion team. Now it's not an expansion team and I'd be interested to see how he would tweak the defense.

Dom Capers ? Wow that's an interesting idea and who am I to say,it might
a good move, maybe a stroke of genus but I don't think Cal Mcnair is
nearly secure enough to do something so controversial.
However Barrett would like it because he wants a defensive oriented HC as
I understand it.