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Neither do I. But that's why you try multiple boards multiple times because "you never know". I don't think we can get 4-for-1 trade downs either but they are so hard to resist.
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I'm hoping another round of board updates comes out soon because this is using a CBS board from 3/22..
Now that I know we are set at QB and probably not using a high pick on a developmental QB, here's my latest with trade downs: 30: R1P30 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA 52: R2P21 DT AUSTIN JOHNSON PENN STATE 71: R3P8 G JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD 85: R3P22 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS 109: R4P11 TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD 119: R4P21 ILB NICK VIGIL UTAH STATE 159: R5P20 WR CHARONE PEAKE CLEMSON 166: R5P27 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE 195: R6P20 S KEANU NEAL FLORIDA TRADE PARTNER: CAROLINA PANTHERS SENT: ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 RECEIVED: ROUND: 1 PICK: 30 ROUND: 2 PICK: 31 TRADE PARTNER: NEW YORK GIANTS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 31 RECEIVED: ROUND: 3 PICK: 8 ROUND: 4 PICK: 11 |
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30: R1P30 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
52: R2P21 DT AUSTIN JOHNSON PENN STATE 71: R3P8 G JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD 85: R3P22 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS 109: R4P11 TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD 119: R4P21 ILB NICK VIGIL UTAH STATE 159: R5P20 WR CHARONE PEAKE CLEMSON 166: R5P27 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE 195: R6P20 S KEANU NEAL FLORIDA If we get Ryan Kelly, Joshua Garnett, Austin Hooper, and Matt Ioannidis; I will be overjoyed. In fact, I would be pretty freaking happy just to see Kelly and Garnett on the O-Line. Nice job with these picks.
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Optimum Scouting Database 3/30
22: R1p22 wr josh docston tcu
54: R2p23 te hunter henry arkansas 92: R3p29 g christian western arizona state 119: R4p21 dt javon hargrave south carolina st 159: R5p20 cb artie burns miami (fl) 160: R5p21 rb cj prosise notre dame 166: R5p27 qb dak prescott mississippi state 167: R5p28 s tyvis powell ohio state 195: R6p20 g joe dahl washington state 245: R7p24 de matt judon grand valley state trades trade partner: Minnesota vikings sent: Round: 2 pick: 21 received: Round: 2 pick: 23 round: 5 pick: 21 trade partner: Arizona cardinals sent: Round: 3 pick: 24 received: Round: 3 pick: 29 round: 5 pick: 28 trade partner: Cincinnati bengals sent: Round: 3 pick: 22 received: Round: 3 pick: 24 round: 7 pick: 24
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Arrowhead
52: R2P21 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
53: R2P22 G JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD 84: R3P21 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH. 111: R4P13 OLB KAMALEI CORREA BOISE ST. 119: R4P21 S SEAN DAVIS MARYLAND 120: R4P22 DE BRONSON KAUFUSI BRIGHAM YOUNG 151: R5P12 DT JAVON HARGRAVE S. CAROLINA ST. 158: R5P19 G CONNOR MCGOVERN MISSOURI 159: R5P20 WR KEYARRIS GARRETT TULSA 166: R5P27 WR MALCOLM MITCHELL GEORGIA 169: R5P30 C GRAHAM GLASGOW MICHIGAN 191: R6P16 CB KEIVARAE RUSSELL NOTRE DAME 195: R6P20 WR CODY CORE OLE MISS TRADES TRADE PARTNER: WASHINGTON REDSKINS SENT: ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 22 ROUND: 3 PICK: 21 ROUND: 4 PICK: 22 ROUND: 5 PICK: 19 TRADE PARTNER: DETROIT LIONS SENT: ROUND: 3 PICK: 22 RECEIVED: ROUND: 4 PICK: 13 ROUND: 5 PICK: 12 ROUND: 5 PICK: 30 ROUND: 6 PICK: 16 I was hesitant to lose a first round pick but believe that I could get value in the middle rounds. Ryan Kelly came off the board at #21. Conklin was still there and was selected at #30. Doctson came off the board at #32. Overall, I was pleased with the GROUP.
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With The First Pick Database 3/26
27: R1p27 lb darron lee ohio state
52: R2p21 wr sterling shepard oklahoma 88: R3p25 g christian westernman arizona state 111: R4p13 de carl nassib penn state 119: R4p21 rb kenneth dixon louisiana tech 125: R4p27 olb charles tapper oklahoma 151: R5p12 dt javon hargrave south carolina state 159: R5p20 te tyler higbee western kentucky 166: R5p27 wr malcolm mitchell georgia 169: R5p30 g joe dahl washington state 191: R6p16 qb kevin hogan stanford 195: R6p20 g joe thuney nc state trades trade partner: Detroit lions sent: Round: 3 pick: 22 received: Round: 4 pick: 13 round: 5 pick: 12 round: 5 pick: 30 round: 6 pick: 16 trade partner: Green bay packers sent: Round: 1 pick: 22 received: Round: 1 pick: 27 round: 3 pick: 25 round: 4 pick: 27
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I found Arrowhead's board the most realistic of the three, which was a surprise.
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Risen Breakdown 3/28
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TRADE PARTNER: LA RAMS SENT: ROUND: 3 PICK: 22 ROUND: 4 PICK: 21 RECEIVED: ROUND: 3 PICK: 13 TRADE PARTNER: KANSAS CITY CHIEFS SENT: ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 RECEIVED: ROUND: 1 PICK: 28 ROUND: 4 PICK: 28 ROUND: 5 PICK: 23 ROUND: 5 PICK: 26 28: R1P28 OT JACK CONKLIN MICHIGAN STATE 52: R2P21 G JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD 76: R3P13 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS 126: R4P28 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE 159: R5P20 RB KENYAN DRAKE ALABAMA 162: R5P23 ILB BLAKE MARTINEZ STANFORD 165: R5P26 S TYVIS POWELL OHIO STATE 166: R5P27 DT MALIEK COLLINS NEBRASKA 195: R6P20 QB KEVIN HOGAN STANFORD I was happy to trade down with KC and get extra picks. Darron Lee was off the board @ #19. Ryan Kelly was selected @ #26, but I got my favorite LT not named Tunsil. Adding Garnett upgrades the OL. I moved up to select the first TE off the board @ #76. Vannett went @ #81 and Higbee went @ #88. I missed out on WRs Doctson #30, Thomas #31, Shepard #36, Mitchell #120, Garrett #153. Drake can spell Lamar Miller and brings Return ability. Martinez is not fast, but he is a tackling machine. Powell will be a starting Safety in the league. Collins was a surprise and is one of My Guys, but not one of my Favorites. However, I couldn't pass on his talent in the 5th round. Collins and Ioannidis augment the D-Line. Kevin Hogan makes trading Hoyer an easy decision.
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Bleacher Report 3/21
Traded future picks to get back into the late rounds....
TRADES TRADE PARTNER: OAKLAND RAIDERS SENT: FUTURE ROUND 6 PICK RECEIVED: ROUND: 7 PICK: 13 TRADE PARTNER: SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SENT: FUTURE ROUND 5 PICK RECEIVED: ROUND: 7 PICK: 4 22: R1P22 ILB DARRON LEE OHIO STATE (My Top Favorite) 52: R2P21 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA (The guy I thought I would have to pick #22) 85: R3P22 DE CARL NASSIB PENN STATE (Replaces Crick) 119: R4P21 RB DERRICK HENRY ALABAMA (Really? Still on the board? OK!) 159: R5P20 WR MALCOLM MITCHELL GEORGIA (Needed a WR) 166: R5P27 DT JAVON MARGRAVE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE (My NT of the Future) 195: R6P20 TE JERELL ADAMS SOUTH CAROLINA (Needed a TE) 225: R7P4 WR KEYARRIS GARRETT TULSA (Big RedZone Target) 234: R7P13 G JOE THUNEY NC STATE (Athletic and Versatile)
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Arrowhead again
22: R1p22 ot jack conklin michigan st.
55: R2p24 dt jarran reed alabama 85: R3p22 g joshua garnett stanford 119: R4p21 olb kamalei correa boise st. 122: R4p24 s sean davis maryland 159: R5p20 de bronson kaufusi brigham young 166: R5p27 wr malcolm mitchell georgia 195: R6p20 wr keyarris garrett tulsa 223: R7p2 rb daniel lasco california 224: R7p3 qb kevin hogan stanford 243: R7p22 olb victor ochi stony brook trades trade partner: San diego chargers sent: Future round 6 pick received: Round: 7 pick: 3 trade partner: Cincinnati bengals sent: Round: 2 pick: 21 received: Round: 2 pick: 24 round: 4 pick: 24 trade partner: New england patriots sent: Future round 7 pick received:round: 7 pick: 22 trade partner: Cleveland browns sent: Future round 6 pick received: Round: 7 pick: 2
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Look what fell out of the sky!!
Here's why you mock. Sometimes, the unexpected happens and you have to ask yourself "what will I do?". I used the Fanspeak board but, at 22, I was given several appealing choices: Conklin, a legit LT to plug in when Brown gets injured or needs to be cut. Ragland, the ILB who can be like Patrick Willis and would allow you to drop Cushing's contract after next year. Kelly, the OC I have wanted all along and... Carson Wentz!! - one of the top 2 QBs in the draft! Ok, so we have Osweiler now and this would create controversy but we may never get a chance to draft a QB like this again. You gotta take him, right? Well, I tried to trade down with Denver - no dice. Tried to trade down with the 49ers - not interested. Cleveland had taken Goff. Philly had no 2nds. The Jets would have been falling too far. So after giving it much thought I went with value. I took Wentz. Fortunately, Kelly was still there in the second but I had to alter my draft because I did not have the trade chips I wanted to add more picks. I swapped my third with Baltimore for a pair of fourths and liked overall, what I had done: 22: R1P22 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE 52: R2P21 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA 104: R4P6 TE TYLER HIGBEE WESTERN KENTUCKY 119: R4P21 RB PAUL PERKINS UCLA 130: R4P32 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA 159: R5P20 S MILES KILLEBREW SOUTHERN UTAH 166: R5P27 DT ANTWAUN WOODS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA 195: R6P20 G CONNOR MCGOVERN MISSOURI TRADE PARTNER: BALTIMORE RAVENS SENT: ROUND: 3 PICK: 22 RECEIVED: ROUND: 4 PICK: 6 ROUND: 4 PICK: 32 We'll have to shop for DE, WR and ILB among the UDFAs. Somehow, I don't think Rick Smith will face this dilemma. |
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I would have taken Wentz too. There's only so many players who I would take over Paxton Lynch. Osweiler hasn't proven anything yet.
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He's proven more than Wentz. But if the Texans drafted Wentz, I would make him #3 behind Weeden to start the year and let him know he's not ready and is getting trained for '17. Next year, we'll have a better feel for Osweiler and make it an open competition. In '18, we can trade either QB without a large cap hit and possibly for a big draft haul in return.
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I understand the value of having the bird in hand and I believe that's the reason why we had to sign Oweiler. There's no way of knowing for sure that we could get one of these 'Potential Franchise QBs' in the draft. It's not my money, but it is awfully expensive to have a guy with very limited starts in the NFL. I'm having flashbacks of Matt Flynn. That being said, I hope that signing Brock doesn't preclude the team from drafting a QB if one falls in our laps.
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Fanspeak Database 3/29
38: R2P7 DT JARRAN REED ALABAMA
54: R2P23 WR STERLING SHEPARD OKLAHOMA 72: R3P9 G JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD 93: R3P30 OLB KAMALEI CORREA BOISE STATE 103: R4P5 DT JAVON MARGRAVE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE 119: R4P21 RB C.J. PROSISE NOTRE DAME 121: R4P23 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE 127: R4P29 TE JERELL ADAMS SOUTH CAROLINA 129: R4P31 CB MAURICE CANADY VIRGINIA 159: R5P20 C GRAHAM GLASGOW MICHIGAN 166: R5P27 G CONNOR MCGOVERN MISSOURI 195: R6P20 WR KEYARRIS GARRETT TULSA 199: R6P24 WR MALCOLM MITCHELL GEORGIA 245: R7P24 RB DANIEL LASCO CALIFORNIA TRADES TRADE PARTNER: CHICAGO BEARS SENT: ROUND: 3 PICK: 1 RECEIVED: ROUND: 3 PICK: 9 ROUND: 4 PICK: 29 TRADE PARTNER: CINCINNATI BENGALS SENT: FUTURE ROUND 6 PICK RECEIVED: ROUND: 7 PICK: 24 TRADE PARTNER: CAROLINA PANTHERS SENT: ROUND: 3 PICK: 22 RECEIVED: ROUND: 3 PICK: 30 ROUND: 4 PICK: 31 TRADE PARTNER: JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 2 RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 7 ROUND: 4 PICK: 5 TRADE PARTNER: CINCINNATI BENGALS SENT: FUTURE ROUND 5 PICK RECEIVED: ROUND: 6 PICK: 24 TRADE PARTNER: TENNESSEE TITANS SENT: ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 2 ROUND: 3 PICK: 1 TRADE PARTNER: MINNESOTA VIKINGS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 21 RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 23 ROUND: 4 PICK: 23 Nick Vannett went @ #71(R3P8) right before Joshua Garnett. I think I got a bargain in Adams @ #127. I took Glasgow @ #159 when I was trying to decide between him and OT Joe Haeg and Connor McGovern. Hang went @ #160 and I took McGovern @ #166. Hindsight being 20/20 I should have taken Haeg @ #159 and then whoever was left @ #166 to play C since I already had Garnett on the roster. I was surprised that I was able to get Jarran Reed in the 2nd round. Reed and Sterling Shepard have 1st round grades on my draft board, so I was pleased to get them when I did while racking up extra picks. Garnett is my starting RG for the next 8 years. Correa provides insurance when Clowney gets injured and can rotate on passing downs. The prospect of Watt, Reed, and Hargrave is exciting to me. Promise is talented and has a ton of potential receiving out of the backfield. Prescott just needs to keep his nose clean and not be a distraction off the field. I doubt the Texans would draft him, but I've made it be known how I feel about this guy. Canady was a luxury I could afford with all the extra draft picks. At his size, he could potentially be a FS, and having a big CB is always a good thing to have in the tool box. Garrett and Mitchell are my favorite WRs that nobody is talking about and I want them on the roster. I grabbed Lasco for his speed and return ability. I realize that I have a lot of bodies from this draft, but that's less UDFAs I have to call.
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22: R1P22 OT JACK CONKLIN MICHIGAN STATE
52: R2P21 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA 91: R3P28 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE 119: R4P21 DT JAVON MARGRAVE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE 159: R5P20 WR KEYARRIS GARRETT TULSA 166: R5P27 WR MALCOLM MITCHELL GEORGIA 195: R6P20 QB KEVIN HOGAN STANFORD 196: R6P21 RB KENYAN DRAKE ALABAMA TRADE TRADE PARTNER: NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS SENT: ROUND: 3 PICK: 22 RECEIVED: ROUND: 3 PICK: 28 ROUND: 6 PICK: 21 Really happy with this draft. Attempted to get a couple more picks in the 3rd round but was unable to. I would have liked to have been able to get Bronson Kaufusi to play DE when he came off the board at #85 and NT Maliek Collins at # 74. Overall, I can't complain too much. Conklin and Kelly on the OL is amazing. Vannett is my favorite TE after really studying this group. Hargrove will play the NT. Got my 2 WRs in the 5th round. Got my backup QB and my Change-Of-Pace RB/Returner.
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My Favorite Mock Thus Far...
49: R2p18 wr sterling shepard oklahoma
52: R2p21 g joshua garnett stanford 80: R3p17 de bronson kaufusi brigham young 99: R4p1 te nick vannett ohio st. 117: R4p19 s sean davis maryland 119: R4p21 ilb kamalei correa boise st. 151: R5p12 dt javon hargrave s. Carolina st. 156: R5p17 ot joe haeg n. Dakota st. 166: R5p27 c graham glasgow michigan 169: R5p30 olb yannick ngakoue maryland 191: R6p16 wr malcolm mitchell georgia 195: R6p20 wr keyarris garrett tulsa trades trade partner: Detroit lions sent: Round: 3 pick: 22 received: Round: 4 pick: 13 round: 5 pick: 12 round: 5 pick: 30 round: 6 pick: 16 trade partner: Buffalo bills sent: Round: 1 pick: 22 received: Round: 2 pick: 18 round: 3 pick: 17 round: 4 pick: 19 round: 5 pick: 17 trade partner: Cleveland browns sent: Round: 4 pick: 13 round: 5 pick: 20 received: Round: 4 pick: 1
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Arrowhead was the only board updated so I tried it. At #22, I could have selected Ragland (Kelly was gone) but the Patriots tempted me with two 2nds, a 3rd and a 6th. I took it but that was lower than I wanted to fall so I traded back up in the second and then traded down once more. I got some good players but I've liked some of my other drafts better.
43: R2P12 S VONN BELL OHIO ST. 61: R2P30 DT ROBERT NKEMDICHE OLE MISS 72: R3P9 TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD 85: R3P22 G JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD 106: R4P8 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS 119: R4P21 DT CHRIS JONES MISS. ST. 159: R5P20 ILB NICK VIGIL UTAH ST. 166: R5P27 QB CARDALE JONES OHIO ST. 195: R6P20 WR KEYARRIS GARRETT TULSA 196: R6P21 RB KEITH MARSHALL GEORGIA Nkemdiche and Chris Jones were just too much value to pass up. Cardale, as I mentioned before, I want to try out as a "slash" player. TRADE PARTNER: NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS SENT: ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 29 ROUND: 2 PICK: 30 ROUND: 3 PICK: 28 ROUND: 6 PICK: 21 TRADE PARTNER: CHICAGO BEARS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 29 RECEIVED: ROUND: 3 PICK: 9 ROUND: 4 PICK: 8 TRADE PARTNER: LA RAMS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 21 ROUND: 3 PICK: 28 RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 12 |
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Been out of town, but I'm back now. Another mock utilizing the CBS board. I traded out of the 1st round for two 2nd round picks. I was not sure that I would like the results, but I did. I wanted to give some props to Roy for making me take a look at a couple of the guys I took in this draft. Also my trade down was attempted in order to target a couple of them in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
52: R2P21 DT VERNON BUTLER LOUISIANA TECH 60: R2P29 G JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD 61: R2P30 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS 85: R3P22 C NICK MARTIN NOTRE DAME 91: R3P28 DE JASON FANAIKA UTAH 119: R4P21 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU 159: R5P20 S KJ DILLON WEST VIRGINIA 166: R5P27 CB BRIEAN BODDY-CALHOUN MINNESOTA 195: R6P20 OLB DADI LHOMME NICOLAS VIRGINIA TECH 196: R6P21 TE HENRY KRIEGER COBLE IOWA TRADE PARTNER: NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS SENT: ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 TEXANS RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 29 ROUND: 2 PICK: 30 ROUND: 3 PICK: 28 ROUND: 6 PICK: 21 Butler has been high on my list since I watched him at the Senior Bowl. Garnett has a mean streak and seems to fit the proto type guy that Mike Devlin likes to coach. I have not been targeting Garnett in some time, but Roy made a post recently that returned him to a target for me. Having Hunter sitting there at 61 was surprising to me and I jumped, he has the potential to be the best TE the Texans have had since Owen Daniels was in his prime. Next I took my 2nd rated OC, a hole that is begging to be filled. this gives me a OL of Brown, Allen, Martin, Garnett, Hopkins. Su'a-Filo either steps up and beats out one of the rookies or he backs up two positions (OC,OG) either way he moves on when his rookie deal expires. Next pick was another one of Roys guys Fanaika, I have to agree with Roy, he looks like a young JJ. I'm not saying he has the upside of JJ, but no one knew JJ had that upside, and Fanaika is only a late 3rd round pick. I was not sold on trading out of the 1st round, but I was impressed with the three 2nd rounders I got. All three have been discussed as possible 1st rounders this off season. And my two 3rd rounder I would not have been upset if I had drafted them in the 2nd. So five players in the top 100, I could get on board with that.
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Unless a few stud players fall, trading seems like our best option. There are maybe five or so players I would still choose at #22 but the gift of having additional 2nds and 3rds generally outweigh them. I'd be okay with a draft like this.
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