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Old 12-09-2009, 03:05 PM
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Draft Tek 12/8/09
But this time I trade down. They have us drafting #9, and nobody worth while to pick for at least 10 picks. IMO

I trade our #9 and next years #1 to NE for #21, 46, 52, 53

DE Smith, Williams, Robinson, Williams
CB - Haden, Quinn, nickle Jackson, dime McCain, Reeves, Bennett
S - Pollard, Dowling, Barber, Nolan

RBs Royster, Slaton, Tate
FB/HB/TE Casey
I cant imagine NE trading away multiple picks to move up. Thats like expecting us to draft a RB in the first round. But if they (or anyone) would I would be all over it. If im GM, going into this draft theres one key word that would define this draft for me.

R.U.N.

No team makes it far unless they can R.U.N. the ball when they NEED to R.U.N. and no team goes very far if they cant stop the R.U.N. when they NEED to stop the R.U.N.. So improving the interior of both lines my #1 goal. Finding a RB that can get tough yards after contact is #2 goal. Adding another physical DB that is a playmaker is #3 goal. My draft would look something like this.

#21 Mike Iupati OG 6'6" 330 Idaho Improves R.U.N. #1 goal
#41 Toby Gerhart RB 6'1" 235 Stanford Improves R.U.N. #2 goal
#46 Javier Arenas CB 5'9" 200 Alabama #3 goal
#52 Sergio Render OG 6'3" 320 Virginia Tech Improves R.U.N. #1 goal
#53 Vince Oghobaase DT 6'6" 312 Duke Improves R.U.N. #1 goal
#72 Dennis Pitta TE 6'5" 230 BYU O.D. insurance
#104 Boo Robinson DT 6'2" 326 Wake Forest Improves R.U.N. #1 goal
#136 Adam Ulatoski OT 6'8" 305 Texas Improves R.U.N. #1 goal
#168 Thomas Austin C/OG 6'3" 310 Clemson Improves R.U.N. #1 goal
#182 BPA
#200 BPA

Mike Iupati Instant starter/upgrade that can get a push in short yardage.

Sergio Render Instant starter/upgrade that can get a push in short yardage.

Thomas Austin C/OG 6'3" 310 Clemson - Everything people (not me) thought A Caldwell would be for a 6th round pick. I said Caldwell was overrated before we drafted him and he's done nothing to prove me wrong.

Adam Ulatoski OT 6'8" 305 Texas Very talented backup OT to groom pair with Butler for depth.

These 4 give us an OL that is very deep and talented. By far the most talented and deep OL we have ever had.

OT's Duane Brown Rashad Butler Eric Winston Ulatoski
OG's Render Iupati Mike Brisiel C. White
C's C. Myers Austin

Toby Gerhart Does anything really need to be said here?

Vince Oghobaase Solid rotation guy guy possible starter.

Boo Robinson Solid rotation guy guy possible starter.

These two replace Zgonina F. Okam giving us youth, athleticism and size and solid depth for the best rotation we have ever had.

DT's A. Okoye D. Robinson Oghobaase Boo Robinson S. Cody

Javier Arenas Gives us a another physical playmaking DB that allows us to let Robinson walk. He also allows us to get something in trade for Jacoby Jones as he is an excellent returner.

Dennis Pitta is a OD clone. Do we really want to go through the Daunte Robinson fiasco again? This guy has great hands and at 6'5" gives Schaub a huge target.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:43 PM
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R.U.N.

No team makes it far unless they can R.U.N. the ball when they NEED to R.U.N. and no team goes very far if they cant stop the R.U.N. when they NEED to stop the R.U.N.. So improving the interior of both lines my #1 goal. Finding a RB that can get tough yards after contact is #2 goal. Adding another physical DB that is a playmaker is #3 goal. My draft would look something like this.
Isn't that the new arguement against Kubiak? That the top teams in the NFL do not run well, they pass well and set up the run with the pass. They run from multisets that they also pass from.

As for the defense, I agree totally.

New Draft Tek Mock from PK.

I am going to use the big board dated 12/3/09

#12 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri OLB43 6-2 245
#32 Dan Williams Tennessee DT43 6-2 322 trade 2011 #1 &#2
#44 Jon Asamoah Illinois OG 6-4 312
#76 Javier Arenas Alabama CB PR 5-8 197
108 Morgan Burnett Georgia Tech SS 6-1 210
140 *Mike Pouncey Florida OG 6-5 315
172 Mario Butler Georgia Tech CB 6-1 182
204 James Starks Buffalo RBF 6-01 205
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Old 12-17-2009, 05:14 PM
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DraftTek.com has a new mock dated 12/15/09

This is theirs not mine.

#15 Brandon LaFell LSU WRF I have 2 WRs above him that are still on the board Dez Bryant, and Marshawn Gilyard
#47 Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB Solid pick IMO
#78 *Ryan Mathews RBF Fresno State
110 *Quan Sturdivant ILB North Carolina


My Cherry Pick Based on my opinion of need.
#15 Mike Iupati Idaho OG Instant upgrade at OG
#47 Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB
#78 J.D. Walton OG Baylor
110 Charles Scott RBF LSU
Your foundation of the inside OL is laid and solid youth.

Also IMO I would try to trade back into the 2nd with future picks in order to acquire one or more of the following :

#37 Jon Asamoah Illinois OG
#42 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri OLB43
#45 Dan Williams Tennessee DT34
#46 *Maurkice Pouncey Florida OC
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Old 12-18-2009, 09:25 AM
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PK,

I agree with your premise, but nobody takes a G at #15 and pays that signing bonus money at that spot.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:56 PM
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DraftTek.com has a new mock dated 12/15/09

This is theirs not mine.

#15 Brandon LaFell LSU WRF I have 2 WRs above him that are still on the board Dez Bryant, and Marshawn Gilyard
#47 Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB Solid pick IMO
#78 *Ryan Mathews RBF Fresno State
110 *Quan Sturdivant ILB North Carolina


My Cherry Pick Based on my opinion of need.
#15 Mike Iupati Idaho OG Instant upgrade at OG
#47 Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB
#78 J.D. Walton OG Baylor
110 Charles Scott RBF LSU
Your foundation of the inside OL is laid and solid youth.

Also IMO I would try to trade back into the 2nd with future picks in order to acquire one or more of the following :

#37 Jon Asamoah Illinois OG
#42 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri OLB43
#45 Dan Williams Tennessee DT34
#46 *Maurkice Pouncey Florida OC
their overall mock has to be one of the worst ones I have seen.
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Old 12-18-2009, 06:30 PM
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Just for fun....

13. FS Taylor Mays - Would have drafted him last year, so why not?
45. CB Perrish Cox - I like big CBs.
77. RB Ben Tate - RB in the 3rd round....
109. DT Jeff Owens - Bulldog DT
141. WR Arrelious Benn - Did he shoot himself in the thigh?
157. LB A.J. Edds - He's not Chad Greenway, but neither is Zac Diles.
173. OL Chris Scott - Looking for bodies
205. PK Leigh Tiffin - How many kicks did Kubiak not look at?
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:48 PM
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PK,

I agree with your premise, but nobody takes a G at #15 and pays that signing bonus money at that spot.
Which is why you attempt to trade down. I would be happy trading out of round 1 for the right deal.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:16 AM
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NFL Draft Site has a new 7 rounder

13 Houston Taylor Mays S 6'4" 225 USC
45 Houston Brandon Ghee CB 6'1" 190 Wake Forest
77 Houston Mike Neal DT 6'4" 302 Purdue
109 Houston Charles Scott RB 5'11" 228 LSU
141 Houston Nathan Overbay TE 6'5" 270 Eastern Washington
157 Houston (from San Diego) Jacoby Ford WR 5'9" 175 Clemson
173 Houston Ryan Perrilloux QB 6'3" 223 Jacksonville State
205 Houston Justin Cole DE 6'3" 240 San Jose State

Starts out OK, but I do not see Kubiak/McNair drafting a kid with the past of Perrilloux.

My cherry pick:
Trade #13 to Dallas for #24 and #56
#24 Mike Iupati OG 6'6" 330 Idaho
Trade next seasons #1 and #2 to Philli for #28
#28 Dan Williams DT 6'3" 312 Tennessee
#45 Javier Arenas CB 5'9" 200 Alabama
#56 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
#77 Ben Tate RB 5'11" 211 Auburn
109 Justin Woodall S 6'2" 220 Alabama
141 Arrelious Benn* WR 6'2" 214 Illinois
157 A.J. Edds OLB 6'4" 244 Iowa
173 Zoltan Mesko P 6'4" 242 Michigan
205 Leigh Tiffin K 6'1" 198 Alabama
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Old 12-20-2009, 12:14 PM
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Using that website...

Trade #13 and 2011 4th round pick to Seattle for #25 and #41

25. Dan Williams NT Tennessee
41. Mike Johnson OG Alabama
45. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas
77. Kyle Wilson CB/PR Boise State
109. Charles Scott RB LSU
141. Riley Cooper WR Florida
157. Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State
173. Jimmie Graham TE Miami
205. Leigh Tiffin K Alabama
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Old 01-09-2010, 12:31 AM
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OK drafttek has a new one. We are picking #20.

20 Brandon LaFell LSU WRF One of the better WR in the draft, and a wasted pick for us.
50 Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB solid pick
82 Anthony Dixon RBF Mississippi State solid pick
115 Michael Morgan OLB43 USC
145 Christian Ponder QB Florida State

Cherry Pick
I want a CB or OL with my 1st pick, no trades so a slight reach here

20 Mike Iupati Idaho OG
50 *Donovan Warren Michigan CB Reminds me of Dunta against the run.
82 Morgan Burnett SS Georgia Tech
115 *Mike Pouncey OG Florida
145 Ben Tate RBF Auburn
177 Zoltan Mesko Michigan P
180 Colin Peek Alabama TE
209 Leigh Tiffin Alabama PK
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NFL draftsite.com

20 Jahvid Best* RB 5'10" 195 California
51 Brandon Ghee CB 6'1" 190 Wake Forest
82 Damian Williams* WR 6'1" 195 USC
116 Lindsey Witten DE 6'4" 251 Connecticut
147 Torrell Troup DT 6'3" 314 UCF
158 Zac Robinson QB 6'3" 218 Oklahoma State
178 Shawn Lauvao OG 6'3" 310 Arizona State
212 Dennis Landolt OT 6'4" 310 Penn State

Cherry Pick
20 Dan Williams DT 6'3" 312 Tennessee
51 Brandon Ghee CB 6'1" 190 Wake Forest
82 Dexter McCluster RB 5'8" 165 Mississippi
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