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Old 03-15-2009, 07:49 PM
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I used the visit list and cherry picked this draft:

15 Clay Matthews OLB USC
46 William Moore SS Missouri
77 Cody Brown OLB43 Connecticut
108 Jaimie Thomas OG Maryland
118 Kory Sheets RBF Purdue
144 C.J. Spillman FS Marshall
175 Johnny Knox WRS Abilene Christian
204 Marlon Lucky RB Nebraska

Not my best effort,
Pick-Pos---Name---------Explosion---Quick---Athlete---Agility
15. LB---Clay Matthews-----68.58---12.57-----5.46----0.44
46. OC---Eric Wood---------68.75---13.75-----5.00----0.68
77. S----Chip Vaughn-------68.42---12.63-----5.42----0.33
108. DE--Lawrence Sidbury--73------13.41-----5.44----0.14
118. QB--Stephen McGee--DNBench--13.36-----DNB----0.12
144. LB--Scott McKillop-----72.42----12.98-----5.58----0.33
175. RB--Ian Johnson-------68.67----12.58-----5.46----0.24
204. DT--Roy Miller---------76.58----14.43-----5.31----0.24

This is my All-Combine team. McGee did not participate in the Bench, so I can't compute his "Explosion" or "Athlete" Index. The "Agility" factor is determined by the difference between a player's 40 time and their Short Shuttle. It's a tool best used when a player has a poor 40 time but make up for it with a good shuttle. Anything over .50 seconds is considered elite.
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Old 03-15-2009, 10:13 PM
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Hey Roy I wanted to ask, what's the story with Ian Johnson? I thought his combine was pretty good, and although his height/weight isn't great, they're at least passable. Is it a combination of his measureables and his declining stats as a senior, or is it something I'm not aware of? Everytime I see a mock, he's going in the second half of the draft and I thought he's a bit better than that.
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Old 03-15-2009, 10:41 PM
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The March 13th draft has us taking

15 Clay Matthews OLB USC
46 Robert Ayers DE43 Tennessee
77 Victor Harris CB Virginia Tech
108 Michael Hamlin SS Clemson
118 Alex Magee DT43 Purdue
144 Mike Goodson RBC Texas A&M
175 Louis Vasquez OG Texas Tech
204 Lydon Murtha OT Nebraska
Take out Mike Goodson RBC Texas A&M and that draft coudnt get much better.

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Old 03-15-2009, 11:11 PM
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Hey Roy I wanted to ask, what's the story with Ian Johnson? I thought his combine was pretty good, and although his height/weight isn't great, they're at least passable. Is it a combination of his measureables and his declining stats as a senior, or is it something I'm not aware of? Everytime I see a mock, he's going in the second half of the draft and I thought he's a bit better than that.
I assume it's because his stats declined as a senior. He is more known for his proposal to his wife than his accomplishments on the field. I imagine he'll do better on the actual day of the draft than in these mocks.

i.e. I won't be surprised if he's a 3rd round pick.
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Old 03-19-2009, 07:17 PM
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March 16th update

1. LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
2. DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
3. SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
4. QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
4. DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
5. FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
6. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
7. LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74

FA DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
FA DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77

FA RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
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Old 03-19-2009, 09:28 PM
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This is my first post, but I've been lurking a while.

Here's my first mock:

1)Peria Jerry DT Ole Miss
2)Sean Smith CB/S Utah
3)Eric Woods C Louisville
4)Zack Follett OLB Cal
4)DeAndre Levy OLB Wisconsin
5)Stephen McGhee QB A&M
6)Victor Butler DE Oregon St
7)Gantrell Johnson RB CSU

FA Deon Butler WR Penn St
FA Ryan McKee OT Sou Miss
FA Stanley Arnoux ILB Wake Forest
FA Diyral Briggs OLB Bowling Green
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Old 03-19-2009, 09:49 PM
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Mine, for what it's worth:

15. Clay Matthews LB Southern Cal
46. Louis Delmas S West. Mich.
77. Lawrence Sidbury DE Richmond
108. Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU
118. Glen Coffee RB 'Bama
144. Pat White QB/WR West Virginia
175. Jasper Brinkley LB South Carolina
204. Bruce Johnson Cb Miami, Fl.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:01 AM
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March 16th update

1. LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
2. DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
3. SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
4. QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
4. DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
5. FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
6. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
7. LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74

FA DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
FA DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77

FA RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
I could live with this.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:44 AM
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Consensus Mock Draft 2009 NFL Rev 26
Released March 16, 2009

15 Clay Matthews OLB43 USC
46 Evander Hood DT43 Missouri
77 Andy Levitre OG Oregon State
108 Michael Hamlin SS Clemson
118 Mike Goodson RBC Texas A&M
144 Michael Bennett DE43 Texas A&M
175 Alex Boone OT Ohio State
204 Sammy Stroughter WRS Oregon St


My cherry pick.

15 Clay Matthews OLB43 USC
46 Evander Hood DT43 Missouri
77 Andy Levitre OG Oregon State
108 Derek Pegues FS Mississippi St
118 traded with Pitt for 128 and 192
128 Kaluka Maiava OLB43 USC
144 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M
175 Sebastian Vollmer OT Houston
192 Johnny Knox WRS Abilene Christian
204 Ian Johnson RBC Boise State

UDFA Dan Gronkowski Maryland TE
UDFA Aaron Brown TCU RBC
UDFA Stryker Sulak Missouri DE43
UDFA Gartrell Johnson Colorado State RBF
UDFA Brian Toal Boston College LB
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Old 03-20-2009, 09:48 AM
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1. Clay Matthews OLB USC
* versatility at the linebacker position, can play all three spots and also put his hand on the ground and rush the passer on third down

2. Max Unger OG Oregon
* versatility on the oline, can come in right away and start at right guard

3. Chip Vaughn SS Wake Forest
* will come in immediately and compete with Barber for the starting job at SS.

4. Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU
* depth up front, former national championship game MVP as a soph, coming out as a jr. and could be Travis Johnson's replacement

4. Tyronne Green OG Auburn
* will provide depth at the guard position in year one, but could move into a starting role in year two if Unger starts a center

5. Jasper Brinkley MLB USC (the other one)
* thumper in the middle who was always around the ball every time I watched South Carolina, underrated player who I believe is really pretty solid

6. Tony Carter CB Florida St.
* could be a Cortland Finnegan type steal late in the draft undersized but has some wheels, ran 4.42 and 4.41 @ FSU pro day

7. Antone Smith RB Florida St.
* Steve Slaton clone, maybe a little smaller but faster, ran 4.33 and 4.36 at pro day, not much production until senior year, could be the type of player that
has fallen through the cracks and could be a steal.

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:45 PM
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Interesting. So you're saying we take two OGs, no running back until the seventh, and no speed rushing DE? Unless we make some pickups before the draft, I don't see this happening.

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:53 PM
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Honestly fellas, would everybody be that excited about Clay Matthews if he didn't have the home-town connection here ?
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Old 03-20-2009, 01:52 PM
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Honestly fellas, would everybody be that excited about Clay Matthews if he didn't have the home-town connection here ?
I would, something about Cushing is causing me to not be excited. It maybe the injury history, it maybe the fact that he did not jump at me on film like Matthews did. I started liking Matthews back around the lose to Oregon St. IIRC. He just made plays you remembered.

Rey Rey is a middle only guy who I feel needs to be in the 3-4.

Now if we where talking Curry, heck hey, but he has climb out of reach.

Laurinitus also seemed to peek to me 2 years ago, SO he has dropped on my list.

I like some other latter round guys at LB, but I think the Texans have ignored the LB group long enough, get us 3 playmakers at LB and watch the run defense get better.

Lucky for us this a deep LB draft, only a few superstars but a lot of solid everyday player types.
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Old 03-20-2009, 01:56 PM
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Interesting. So you're saying we take two OGs, no running back until the seventh, and no speed rushing DE? Unless we make some pickups before the draft, I don't see this happening.
He is really saying OC and OG, only Unger can play now at OG and upgrade Briesel while he learns to read the DL and becomes familiar with the line calls. Next year you have a new OC and a 2nd year guy ready to play ORG.

Also most of us are forgetting that Chester is starting to get to age that we need to find his eventual replacement in the next couple of years.
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Old 03-20-2009, 02:10 PM
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Interesting. So you're saying we take two OGs, no running back until the seventh, and no speed rushing DE? Unless we make some pickups before the draft, I don't see this happening.
We certainly need help on the interior oline and with Unger you get and instant upgrade at two positions and a starter from day one. With Green you get depth there that is needed and a possible starter down the road.

What are you going to get out of a speed rusher that you're not going to get out of Matthews? Your speed rusher is likely going to come in based on down and distance and Matthews can bring what you're speed rusher already has. As for the running back situation... I think this kid is flying under the radar. He was highly recruited out of highshool but for whatever the reason didn't have a whole lot of production until his senior year at FSU. Could be a late bloomer but one thing is for sure he can blister. 4.33 is that. And like I said, he looks like Slaton on tape.
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Old 03-20-2009, 02:23 PM
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He is really saying OC and OG, only Unger can play now at OG and upgrade Briesel will he learns to read the DL and becomes familiar with the line calls. Next year you have a new OC and a 2nd year guy ready to play ORG.

Also most of us are forgetting that Chester is starting to get to age that we need to find his eventual replacement in the next couple of years.
Yep... same page.
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Old 03-20-2009, 03:15 PM
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Yep... same page.
BTW if we address the OL like gunn is suggesting we are finally done with the starters, we can then start to be like a non expansion team and take OL candidates to groom. Then our depth at OL will finally be development guys along with maybe one old timer. Not a group of throw aways from other teams.

I see Gibbs staying a few year, at least until his health becomes an issue, because he has retired before and did not like it. Now he is building something special again. This team is getting close.

I would like to draft Unger in the 2nd but I think he is gone before we pick at 46. But if he slides I jump on him.

I like Sebastian Vollmer, he is a diamond in the rough. I can see him being a starter in a few years, making Winston a OG.

An OL of Brown, Pitts, Unger, Winston, Vollmer in a few years would be a huge upgrade to the OL Capers had on the field. That would be a combination of size and quickness, goodbye goalline trouble.
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Old 03-20-2009, 03:32 PM
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Honestly fellas, would everybody be that excited about Clay Matthews if he didn't have the home-town connection here ?
What I especially like about Mathews Jr. is his dad was an all pro LB for Cleveland, and gave my Oilers fits. His uncle Bruce Played for the Old Oilers, and is probably the best Olineman to ever play the game, and that's saying something. So the bloodlines are there. He will probably slot right into our spot at #15. And I will predict right now that he will be an All-Pro.
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Old 03-20-2009, 03:41 PM
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BTW if we address the OL like gunn is suggesting we are finally done with the starters, we can then start to be like a non expansion team and take OL candidates to groom. Then our depth at OL will finally be development guys along with maybe one old timer. Not a group of throw aways from other teams.

I see Gibbs staying a few year, at least until his health becomes an issue, because he has retired before and did not like it. Now he is building something special again. This team is getting close.

I would like to draft Unger in the 2nd but I think he is gone before we pick at 46. But if he slides I jump on him.

I like Sebastian Vollmer, he is a diamond in the rough. I can see him being a starter in a few years, making Winston a OG.

An OL of Brown, Pitts, Unger, Winston, Vollmer in a few years would be a huge upgrade to the OL Capers had on the field. That would be a combination of size and quickness, goodbye goalline trouble.
Having a good offensive line generally equates to having a good team. If people believe that our offensive line is "okay", then they must not have noticed the way this team perfomed on third and shorts and on goal line situations. I doubt Unger will be there as well, but if he is, it's a no brainer.

As for your oline... that's a big right side. It's all about physicality up front for me. I want my guys to be nasty and impose that on other teams... and that's why I'm a big fan of Unger.
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Old 03-20-2009, 07:00 PM
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Having a good offensive line generally equates to having a good team. If people believe that our offensive line is "okay", then they must not have noticed the way this team perfomed on third and shorts and on goal line situations. I doubt Unger will be there as well, but if he is, it's a no brainer.

As for your oline... that's a big right side. It's all about physicality up front for me. I want my guys to be nasty and impose that on other teams... and that's why I'm a big fan of Unger.
If Volmer becomes the player I project then he might be a LT, and that would require Brown to move, do you move Brown to RT with Winston sliding to RG or do you move Brown to RG?

I will say Winston's feet are not near as good as Browns, so a move into the phone booth might sit better with his abilities.
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