7 Round Mock

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I don't think that I like this mock draft very much since I came away with 3 OL, a QB, and no RBs? I suppose at some point I should have came off the board and reached, but the RB's & CB's kept coming off right before I picked.

I had to go way down his list to grab the DBs I wanted, and I still ended up with way to many OL guys. I am not impressed with the signing of Smith, and my mock makes him a one year and drop guy, but 3 rookies at any position is alot. A couple of the OL guys I drafted could play OT in a pinch.

I thought about taking Skelton, but had bigger needs yet to fill. I also wanted to take Gerhart but he was rated a low 2nd rounder and I did not see him as a 51st pick, at least not for us. A trade down in the 1st would gather another 2nd or 3rd pick and could be a big help.

[kRocket]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I don't think that I like this mock draft very much since I came away with 3 OL, a QB, and no RBs? I suppose at some point I should have came off the board and reached, but the RB's & CB's kept coming off right before I picked.

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon - BPA
51 OG Jon Asamoah - Can paly C or RG
81 DT Geno Atkins - pass rush from the middle
118 OC JD Walton - severely underrated on this board.
150 QB Dan LeFevour - I know, but I just couldn't pass at this point.
187 S Robert Johnson - A ballhawk to get INTs
197 OC Eric Olsen - BPA at this point
227 CB Crezdon Butler - I got one CB.

I don't mean this as a criticism Roy but, you seem to be in love with Geno Atkins. He has been prominent in every draft you have mocked for the last 2 weeks or so. It could be skewing your whole draft a bit to be so bent on that one person. Might be why you are having trouble pulling off the draft you want to make or maybe he is good enough to make the draft!

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by kRocket

I don't mean this as a criticism Roy but, you seem to be in love with Geno Atkins. He has been prominent in every draft you have mocked for the last 2 weeks or so. It could be skewing your whole draft a bit to be so bent on that one person. Might be why you are having trouble pulling off the draft you want to make or maybe he is good enough to make the draft!

Here is what John Harris said about Atkins

Geno Atkins, Georgia - gosh, I don't like this marriage at all (he's downright miniature for a defensive tackle in a 4-3), but Atkins made a beautiful showing against Mike Iupati in the Senior Bowl. If you're a Iupati fan, then you have to love Atkins. But, boy, he's tiny. Late third might work for Atkins, perhaps too late for the Texans but he's an effort guy with a ton of quickness.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by kRocket

I don't mean this as a criticism Roy but, you seem to be in love with Geno Atkins!

I just did a reshuffling of my draftboard and ran it against DraftTek simulator. This was my loot.

20 OG Trent Williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-icEPTOeKhk
51 FS Brandon Ghee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caoFY...ext=1&index=12
81 RB Toby Gerhart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw
118 DT Torrell Troup
150 CB Kevin Thomas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TltqT7D8D_I&NR=1
187 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLGeSdHgO0
197 RB Andre Anderson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtUuseJjmCE
227 WR Stephen Williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehMxI_i61xE

I will admit that I think Geno Atkins is awesome as a 3-Tech in our system. He gets penetration and he is not 'tiny' by any stretch of the imagination. He was 6'2" 293lbs at the Combine and still ran a 4.75, 4.43 - Shuttle, 7.33 - Cone. Rahim Alem would qualify as 'tiny' at 6'3" 251lbs and he put up 4.75, 4.80 - shuttle, 7.54 - Cone. Oh by the way, Amobi Okoye is 6'2" 296lbs, I'm sure those extra 3lbs are the difference.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I also wanted to take Gerhart but he was rated a low 2nd rounder and I did not see him as a 51st pick, at least not for us. A trade down in the 1st would gather another 2nd or 3rd pick and could be a big help.

Right now, Gerhart's average mock draft "value" is about 59th pick overall. Of course, there's flucuations from 33 - 104.

I just see a lot of meat on the bone from the 2nd to the top of the 4th round. Perhaps trading down in the 1st, trading down in the 2nd, and trading up in the 4th with next year's 3rd round pick could be accomplished. The DB, RB, OL, and DL talent is right there in the 30's - 120's.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

The DB, RB, OL, and DL talent is right there in the 30's - 120's.

Just going by my draft board, these are the guys I'm targeting in rounds 2 - 4

FS Brandon Ghee
RB Ben Tate
RB Toby Gerhart
DT Geno Atkins
RB Montario Hardesty
DT Tyson Alualu
DT Lamarr Houston
OG Rodger Saffold
OG Jon Asamoah
OG John Jerry
RB Jonathan Dwyer
DT Linval Joseph
S Darrell Stuckey
FS Major Wright
CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
DT Torrell Troup
FS Chris Cook
QB Dan LeFevour
RB Anthony Dixon
LB Dekoda Watson
CB Kevin Thomas
DT Mike Neal
CB Alterraun Verner
OC JD Walton

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Roy P

29 RB Ryan Matthews
51 FS Brandon Ghee
61 OG Jon Asamoah
81 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
135 CB Kevin Thomas
187 RB Andre Anderson
197 CB Crezdon Butler
227 WR Stephen Williams

Using that trade, and I truly feel we will trade down in the first, I came up with:

29. Kareem Jackson CB
51. Ben Tate RB
61. Lamarr Houston DT
81. Myron Lewis FS/CB
118. Eric Olsen OC/LG
135. Torrell Troup DT
187. Chris Scott OT
197. Simoni Lawrence OLB
227. Lindsey Witten DE


This is probably my most satisfying draft to date.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Right now, Gerhart's average mock draft "value" is about 59th pick overall. Of course, there's flucuations from 33 - 104.

I just see a lot of meat on the bone from the 2nd to the top of the 4th round. Perhaps trading down in the 1st, trading down in the 2nd, and trading up in the 4th with next year's 3rd round pick could be accomplished. The DB, RB, OL, and DL talent is right there in the 30's - 120's.

I should have been clearer, pick #59 is late 2nd IMO. Not a huge reach at all, IMO, but I wanted to grab one of the better DBs in one of the 1st two rounds, and Pouncey was my 1st rounder, so....

What about doing this: Trade down with Jets get 29 and 61
Trade 81 down with the Chargers get 91 and 126
Trade 2011 2nd to Eagles for #70

29 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
51 Nate Allen FS South Florida
61 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
70 *Linval Joseph NT East Carolina
91 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
118 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
126 J.D. Walton C Baylor
151 Zane Beadles OG Utah more versatile depth, never to much depth
187 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
197 Reji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Mike McLaughlin LB/LS Boston College


We get a CB that can start Day1, a FS that should push Eugene Wilson for playing time, and is a huge hitter. Houston and Joseph add two solid pieces to our DL. Murphy is a steal at 91 and should see the field and is another huge hitter. Johnson, Walton, Beadles all push the veteran in front of them. Anderson and Karim add to the RB depth, and McLaughlin is still recovering from a achilles injury and can long snap, adds depth to LS position.

11 guys that all have a shot at the roster.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I should have been clearer, pick #59 is late 2nd IMO. Not a huge reach at all, IMO, but I wanted to grab one of the better DBs in one of the 1st two rounds, and Pouncey was my 1st rounder, so....

What about doing this: Trade down with Jets get 29 and 61
Trade 81 down with the Chargers get 91 and 126
Trade 2011 2nd to Eagles for #70

29 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
51 Nate Allen FS South Florida
61 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
70 *Linval Joseph NT East Carolina
91 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
118 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
126 J.D. Walton C Baylor
151 Zane Beadles OG Utah more versatile depth, never to much depth
187 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
197 Reji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Mike McLaughlin LB/LS Boston College


We get a CB that can start Day1, a FS that should push Eugene Wilson for playing time, and is a huge hitter. Houston and Joseph add two solid pieces to our DL. Murphy is a steal at 91 and should see the field and is another huge hitter. Johnson, Walton, Beadles all push the veteran in front of them. Anderson and Karim add to the RB depth, and McLaughlin is still recovering from a achilles injury and can long snap, adds depth to LS position.

11 guys that all have a shot at the roster.

I love adding draftpicks and trading down. However, I think you went a little overboard. Thinking about a 53 man roster, you are creating too much inexperienced competition on the back end of it.

For example:

CB: Reeves, Quin are the starters. add McCourty to that and you have three keeper CBs for sure. Then, the final two roster spots go to: Fred Bennett, Molden, B.McCain, and Jerome Murphy (3rd)..... Good riddance to Bennett, probably, but after that, you are either forcing out your 3rd round pick, Molden, or McCain and I'm not ready to that with any of those three yet.

Interior OLine: You are adding 3 mid round picks to this group: Briesel, White, Myers, Caldwell, Studdard, W. Smith... we won't keep more than 6 in total, but more likely only 5: so, if CWhite gets cut, and one of those rookies can clear waiver to the P.S., you are still in a position to have to cut 1 or two from the rest of that group.

It's an interesting situation we are in... being so young. With that in mind, I do have trading down in the 1st and maybe 2nd, but I think accumulating picks in the 5th and 6th rounds, for instance, is likely to be counter-productive... particularly at the expense of 2011 draft picks.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I love adding draftpicks and trading down. However, I think you went a little overboard. Thinking about a 53 man roster, you are creating too much inexperienced competition on the back end of it.

For example:

CB: Reeves, Quin are the starters. add McCourty to that and you have three keeper CBs for sure. Then, the final two roster spots go to: Fred Bennett, Molden, B.McCain, and Jerome Murphy (3rd)..... Good riddance to Bennett, probably, but after that, you are either forcing out your 3rd round pick, Molden, or McCain and I'm not ready to that with any of those three yet.

Interior OLine: You are adding 3 mid round picks to this group: Briesel, White, Myers, Caldwell, Studdard, W. Smith... we won't keep more than 6 in total, but more likely only 5: so, if CWhite gets cut, and one of those rookies can clear waiver to the P.S., you are still in a position to have to cut 1 or two from the rest of that group.

It's an interesting situation we are in... being so young. With that in mind, I do have trading down in the 1st and maybe 2nd, but I think accumulating picks in the 5th and 6th rounds, for instance, is likely to be counter-productive... particularly at the expense of 2011 draft picks.

First off, this is a mock to see what is possible and who is there at what locations. Smith and Kubiak will never go with this. One of these moves is about all they might do. But on the OL last year we kept 10 players, 3 were OTs so that is 7 guys. I have not heard anything yet on Briesel is he practicing? His Lisfranc injury is not a slam dunk to come back from. Also losing Studdard and White is not a huge deal IMO.

Of the DBs I agree we still do not know where some of the young guys stand.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

What about doing this: Trade down with Jets get 29 and 61
Trade 81 down with the Chargers get 91 and 126
Trade 2011 2nd to Eagles for #70

29 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
51 Nate Allen FS South Florida
61 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
70 *Linval Joseph NT East Carolina
91 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
118 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
126 J.D. Walton C Baylor
151 Zane Beadles OG Utah more versatile depth, never to much depth
187 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
197 Reji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Mike McLaughlin LB/LS Boston College

11 guys that all have a shot at the roster.

Ok, some how I didn't draft any OL, but I'm still fine with this draft using my board....

29 CB Patrick Robinson - Depends on the day which I like more.
51 FS Brandon Ghee - Willing to put him deep.
61 RB Ben Tate - My favorite RB
70 RB Toby Gerhart - My favorite short-yardage RB
91 DT Geno Atkins - I like him and so will you.
118 DT Torrell Troup - Linval Joseph seems to be too high.
126 LB Dekoda Watson - WILL competition/Special Teams
151 CB Kevin Thomas - CB steal of the draft.
187 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim - Pass rusher to rotate
197 WR Stephen Williams - RedZone specialist
227 LB Simoni Lawrence - WILL competition/Special Teams.

[Roy P]

The one above was vs. DraftTek and this one is vs. Draftsite and there isn't much change....

29 LB Sean Weatherspoon
51 CB Devin McCourty
61 RB Ben Tate
70 RB Toby Gerhart
91 DT Geno Atkins
118 DT Torrell Troup
126 CB Kevin Thomas
151 CB Alterraun Verner
187 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
197 S Robert Johnson
227 WR Stephen Williams

I got 3 CBs and a FS. I actually like all of my DB's and think they could all beat out players we have on the roster. Once again, no OL to put in the middle to block for Tate and Gerhart. Makes me wonder if we will 'reach' in real life just to fill that need.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

First off, this is a mock to see what is possible and who is there at what locations. Smith and Kubiak will never go with this. One of these moves is about all they might do. But on the OL last year we kept 10 players, 3 were OTs so that is 7 guys. I have not heard anything yet on Briesel is he practicing? His Lisfranc injury is not a slam dunk to come back from. Also losing Studdard and White is not a huge deal IMO.

Of the DBs I agree we still do not know where some of the young guys stand.

Sure, but we had Pitts last year, who could play the tackle position if needed. Perhaps they feel that way about Wade Smith, but I'm not sure. Anyway, the point is that our youth and depth are actually very good in almost every position (other than safety, RB)... we need to upgrade the front end of the roster in a couple places: RB, CB, DT, C/G... so, trading down in order to accumulate picks after round 3 seems unlikely to me simply because drafting 6+ players on the final day will likely result in most of those players not making the team, or displacing quality youth and depth already in place.

[painekiller]

drafttec has a new mock

20 Devin McCourty Rutgers CB
51 John Jerry Mississippi OG
81 Ben Tate Auburn RB
118 Dorin Dickerson Pittsburgh TE
150 Daniel Te'o-nesheim Washington DE
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Corey Peters Kentucky DT
227 Freddie Barnes Bowling Green WR

Again starts well enough

20 Maurkice Pouncey Florida OC
51 Dominique Franks Oklahoma CB
81 Toby Gerhart Stanford RB
118 Linval Joseph East Carolina DT
150 Donovan Warren Michigan CB
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Jeff Byers USC OG/OC
227 Jameson Konz Kent State FB/TE/WR/Hback

Pouncey is considered one of the best OC to come out in years by the experts, gives us the guy that can handle the better NTs in the league. Franks has been in for a workout and is suppose to be on the radar. Gerhart is a Riggins clone, a 4th quarter type guy to eat up the clock. Joseph is a run stopper with excellent upper body strength. Warren is young and raw with a large up side. Johnson has been on a visit to Houston, on the radar. Byers is a hard nose type. Konz is raw with measurable off the chart

[NBT]

If he is still there at #81 I say Toby Gerheart would be perfect for Kubiak's offense. Gets the tough yards when they are needed.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

drafttec has a new mock

20 Devin McCourty Rutgers CB
51 John Jerry Mississippi OG
81 Ben Tate Auburn RB
118 Dorin Dickerson Pittsburgh TE
150 Daniel Te'o-nesheim Washington DE
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Corey Peters Kentucky DT
227 Freddie Barnes Bowling Green WR

Wow, these guys must have been using my draft board. This is what I came out with...

20 CB Devin McCourty
51 FS Brandon Ghee
81 RB Ben Tate
118 DT Linval Joseph
150 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 S Robert Johnson
197 RB Andre Anderson
227 WR Stephen Williams

I'm wondering if perhaps I should put Jerry higher up on my draft board. I could get a FS like Robert Johnson and a CB like Crezdon Butler late in the draft. There just aren't any OL like John Jerry in the draft after the 2nd round.

[painekiller]

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

20 Dan Williams DT Tennessee
51 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
81 Dexter McCluster RB Mississippi
118 Mitch Petrus OG Arkansas
150 Andre Roberts WR Citadel
187 Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech
197 Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky
227 Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State

Not a bad one, but no real RB, I like McCluster for his mismatches but he is not a every down back. Petrus is off my list, Thanks Roy.

My Cherry Pick

20 Dan Williams DT Tennessee
51 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
81 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Jeff Owens DT Georgia
187 Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech
197 Adam Ulatoski OT Texas
227 Kevin Matthews OC Texas A&M

[kRocket]

PK - I really liked your cherry pick until 6b and maybe 7. Adam Ulatoski can be picked up for camp fodder as a UDFA more likely and IDK if Matthews wants to play for his dad, but if he does then go for him. We can do better in the 6th IMO.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

My Cherry Pick

20 Dan Williams DT Tennessee
51 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
81 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Jeff Owens DT Georgia
187 Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech
197 Adam Ulatoski OT Texas
227 Kevin Matthews OC Texas A&M

Anytime we can get Dan Williams and Devin McCourty without any trades, I'm a little skeptical. Sort of like when we were drafting Williams and Weatherspoon. However, I'll play along and see what my draft board yields...

20. DT Dan Williams
51. CB Devin McCourty
81. OG John Jerry
118. RB Ben Tate

At this point, I could care less what happens. I'm so freakin' happy I must be dreaming.

150. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187. CB Alterraun Verner
197. S Robert Johnson
227. RB Andre Anderson

Who knew that the way to improve the running game included adding Ben & Jerry

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Anytime we can get Dan Williams and Devin McCourty without any trades, I'm a little skeptical. Sort of like when we were drafting Williams and Weatherspoon. However, I'll play along and see what my draft board yields...

20. DT Dan Williams
51. CB Devin McCourty
81. OG John Jerry
118. RB Ben Tate

At this point, I could care less what happens. I'm so freakin' happy I must be dreaming.

150. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187. CB Alterraun Verner
197. S Robert Johnson
227. RB Andre Anderson

Who knew that the way to improve the running game included adding Ben & Jerry

I can see it now! We'll call it the ice cream offense and our new cheer will be "You scream, I scream, we all scream for ice cream!!!"